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James Hollingshead: Stay the Hell Away from Insulin | The Ronline Report

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  • Beti ona
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    Originally posted by Griff11 View Post
    Okay some points about insulin are being missed here. Yes it's needed with gh. Insulin it's is hands down the most anabolic hormone. IGF1 is insulin growth factor. Insulin also increases the uptake of protein will training especially in the of essential amino acids. That's why quality intra workouts include high molecular weight carbs and essential amino acids.

    Now the issues with insulin comes with improper use. To high of a dose the wrong foods are used. Any fat in meals lead to the storage of fat. Also there is absolutely zero reason for insulin to be used before every meal. As far as quality of muscle slin does lead to bloofy muscle. It's best used by people who already have dense detailed muscle from heavy progressive training. Using insulin pre workout calls for a volume session super sets higher reps to full engorged the muscle with glycogen and and eaa's. 5 ius is all that's needed. Not protocols call for 75 to 100 a day. Most people are idiots with the more is better mentality and are incapable of basic math
    Solid and informative post

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  • Griff11
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    Originally posted by Ron Harris View Post

    Gotta wonder how things would have went if we'd eaten Ricy Krispy treats and slugged Gatorade instead of all those cookies.
    Probably a lot better and if we had eaa's

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  • Ron Harris
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    Originally posted by Griff11 View Post

    Our nutrition sucked. Although delicious post workout cookies weren't great on the waist line
    Gotta wonder how things would have went if we'd eaten Ricy Krispy treats and slugged Gatorade instead of all those cookies.

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  • Griff11
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    Originally posted by Ron Harris View Post
    The one winter I used slin I got up to 247, and my gut was so big it took all my effort to keep it sucked in so I didn't look like a fat shit.
    Our nutrition sucked. Although delicious post workout cookies weren't great on the waist line

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  • Ron Harris
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    The one winter I used slin I got up to 247, and my gut was so big it took all my effort to keep it sucked in so I didn't look like a fat shit.
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  • Giles
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    Most pros that tell me that use insulin I notice that their waists almost instantly thicken.

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  • Ron Harris
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    Math is hard though

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  • Griff11
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    Okay some points about insulin are being missed here. Yes it's needed with gh. Insulin it's is hands down the most anabolic hormone. IGF1 is insulin growth factor. Insulin also increases the uptake of protein will training especially in the of essential amino acids. That's why quality intra workouts include high molecular weight carbs and essential amino acids.

    Now the issues with insulin comes with improper use. To high of a dose the wrong foods are used. Any fat in meals lead to the storage of fat. Also there is absolutely zero reason for insulin to be used before every meal. As far as quality of muscle slin does lead to bloofy muscle. It's best used by people who already have dense detailed muscle from heavy progressive training. Using insulin pre workout calls for a volume session super sets higher reps to full engorged the muscle with glycogen and and eaa's. 5 ius is all that's needed. Not protocols call for 75 to 100 a day. Most people are idiots with the more is better mentality and are incapable of basic math

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  • Ron Harris
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    Originally posted by Beti ona View Post

    It doesn't really seem like such spectacular progress for the cost, although now it's no longer a luxury and anyone can get it. Also, as I understand it, the benefits of GH are more issues of quality of the skin and muscle, to aid in the burning fat... than to gross mass gains itself.
    Shit, I would have paid for the extra 10 pounds or so it would have helped me add, at least in my imagination. It's not cheap when you're using 6-8 iu's a day pharma, which seems to be how much is needed for the muscle growth effect.

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  • GeorgeUK
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    Originally posted by Ron Harris View Post

    This also explains why GH + slin = GAINS for most
    And for most, it's gone by stage time or they have that 'bloofy' look.
    (ty for that word LS)

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  • Beti ona
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    Originally posted by Ron Harris View Post

    I wish I believed GH was that ineffective, but I do know a local guy who increased his stage weight from 220 to 240 in about 18 months, the only change being that he started using GH. This is a guy who had already been training hard and eating right for many years and had already been competing about 15 years at that point.
    It doesn't really seem like such spectacular progress for the cost, although now it's no longer a luxury and anyone can get it. Also, as I understand it, the benefits of GH are more issues of quality of the skin and muscle, to aid in the burning fat... than to gross mass gains itself.

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  • Ron Harris
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    Originally posted by GeorgeUK View Post

    But James increased his stage weight by almost 15 lbs since severely curtailing insulin.
    You'd think it would be the reverse.

    GH is a shit bang for buck
    Insulin is not all it's cracked to be

    Test and one or two other things are the biggest and safest aids
    I wish I believed GH was that ineffective, but I do know a local guy who increased his stage weight from 220 to 240 in about 18 months, the only change being that he started using GH. This is a guy who had already been training hard and eating right for many years and had already been competing about 15 years at that point.

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  • Ron Harris
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    Originally posted by harmankardon View Post
    Nailed it beti... What beti describes is the main anabolic component of muscle gains from insulin use in a pro bodybuilder. The use of large amounts of GH induces insulin resistance hence blood sugar increases reducing utilisation of carbohydrate intake, negatively impacting gains. Add insulin in this scenario with the gh and other anabolics and you can induce great gains, as we have seen many times at the high level of the sport. This is also why taking slin without Insulin resistance never lives up to the hype and really doesn't do much.
    This also explains why GH + slin = GAINS for most

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  • harmankardon
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    Nailed it beti... What beti describes is the main anabolic component of muscle gains from insulin use in a pro bodybuilder. The use of large amounts of GH induces insulin resistance hence blood sugar increases reducing utilisation of carbohydrate intake, negatively impacting gains. Add insulin in this scenario with the gh and other anabolics and you can induce great gains, as we have seen many times at the high level of the sport. This is also why taking slin without Insulin resistance never lives up to the hype and really doesn't do much.

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  • Howard
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    Originally posted by Beti ona View Post

    Using insulin also makes sense if you want to reduce the impact of GH in blood sugar.
    Thanks for the additional input.
    I never used insulin and only have a basic "textbook" knowledge of how insulin works .
    I'm a tad ignorant on many of the detailed uses in bodybuilding.

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