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  • #16
    Won't it just return as soon as E levels return naturally again.

    I've talked to endocrinologists, and she said that once the gyno is formed..aromatase inhibition won't really do much

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Rzilla View Post
      Won't it just return as soon as E levels return naturally again.

      I've talked to endocrinologists, and she said that once the gyno is formed..aromatase inhibition won't really do much
      no it doesn't return, the growth needs to be restimulated to make it return and normal natural estrogen levels won't do this, but if you do a cycle without the proper precautions it will return. No it will shrink it down to almost nothing if it is mild, and in some cases it will eliminate the tissue completely there are studies done on it.
      Last edited by mts; February 4th, 2009, 10:34 PM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Amino_man View Post
        If this regimen is made for during PCT, what dosage can a guy take if he gets the signs of gyno in his 5 wk of a 12 week cycle and wants to keep cruseing at say... 1g?

        I'm just saying, it would suck to stop or come down to HRT just to correct the gyno issue. Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather come off cycle than get gyno, but I'm just asking if you got a regimen for during cycle.

        Awesome thread though, Thanks!
        It would be guess work at the dosages and time and would depend on the individual but taking nothing for it during a cycle would be a bad idea. 1g a week of testosterone? 2.5mg everyday right off the bat and stay on it until it starts to disappear or your cycle ends then I would start lowering it slowly like in the protocol

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        • #19
          what types of sides did you have?

          I have s small bit (undetectable to the eye) of tissue underneath my nipples.
          *I believe it should be done growing since I have stopped using the natural testosterone booster than seemed to have cause it (correct me if I am wrong)

          if this is the worse it gets, I could live with that instead of some nasty side effects of too much estrogen suppression.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Rzilla View Post
            what types of sides did you have?

            I have s small bit (undetectable to the eye) of tissue underneath my nipples.
            *I believe it should be done growing since I have stopped using the natural testosterone booster than seemed to have cause it (correct me if I am wrong)

            if this is the worse it gets, I could live with that instead of some nasty side effects of too much estrogen suppression.
            letro is definitely not side effect free, it can cause sore joints, low sex drive, high bad cholesterol, acid reflex, and probably a few others with low sex drive and sore joints being the most common. I still think it's safer then high dosage nolva. What kind of testosterone booster is it? If you have just puffy nipples it might be from weight gain what's your BF%? there are over the counter products that could help it

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            • #21
              Originally posted by mts View Post
              letro is definitely not side effect free, it can cause sore joints, low sex drive, high bad cholesterol, acid reflex, and probably a few others with low sex drive and sore joints being the most common. I still think it's safer then high dosage nolva. What kind of testosterone booster is it? If you have just puffy nipples it might be from weight gain what's your BF%? there are over the counter products that could help it
              nope definitely tissue (endocrinologist varified), not pseudogyno either ..the product contained divanill which I believe freed up enough bound testosterone to convert to estrogen. I wasn't using an AI because I didn't think a natural product should need one.

              again, it's not noticeable without feeling for it. I'm thinking about meeting another doctor who has done some of the research on various AIs for treating gyno. I do not think I want to resort to letro..especially for length periods of time, I would probably opt for the surgery at that point.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Rzilla View Post
                nope definitely tissue (endocrinologist varified), not pseudogyno either ..the product contained divanill which I believe freed up enough bound testosterone to convert to estrogen. I wasn't using an AI because I didn't think a natural product should need one.

                again, it's not noticeable without feeling for it. I'm thinking about meeting another doctor who has done some of the research on various AIs for treating gyno. I do not think I want to resort to letro..especially for length periods of time, I would probably opt for the surgery at that point.
                Best of luck with whatever you choose, All AIs have similar sides letro is just the stronger one and the one I recommend because it is easier for me to suggest dosages. mild gyno usually shrinks by the 2nd week but without staying on it for at least 4 weeks it will probably rebound.

                just so people know that there was a study done on letro against a SERM and they found it here letrozole provided superior results to clomiphene and was associated with 50% lower estradiol.

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                • #23
                  On last week of protocol and my symptoms are gone...sides are a lowered sex drive otherwise has worked great so far...just hoping it doesnt return

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                  • #24
                    Hey I was wondering how long until you see results from liquid letro? in the past I have used insane amounts or gear and then after 6 years finally got gyno for the first time. Now anything I touch gives me issues. Currently I have been lifting hard for a few months and am completly clean as far as AAS goes. But have been getting bad gyno for like the last month. Hard lump and everything. My question again is, how long until I start to notice the gyno going down? I have so far taken 4 days of liquid fem at 2.5mg(or 1ml) each day?

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                    • #25
                      forgot to mention I have been clean from gear for close to 3 years.(haven't touched a thing).

                      As soon as I started thinking about starting a lil something, I get the G!

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                      • #26
                        About halfway into week two is when I noticed mine go away...

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                        • #27
                          what copper said about the second week you will start to notice it. The protocol is made for people on PCT or not on gear, I used in the past but i've been clean for years. Another reason I have the letro protocol ramp up and not starting at 2.0 or 2.5 right off the bat is because .5mg of letro should kill almost all your estrogen right away and limit the length of the side effects, when your body starts to get used to it that's when you bump it up, to keep it under control. For a male not on steroids 2.5mg is probably over kill even 2.0 is pretty high most of your estrogen should be gone with this, if you already started at 2.5 I would just lower it to 2.0 and stay on that for a few weeks then start tapering like I have written. You have to tapper even the nolva is there in place as a safety from the rebound that might occur until your body balances itself back out.

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                          • #28
                            Whats the lenght of time if it should rebound? I know everyone is different, but typically??? Like most people notice within couple weeks or even longer such as 6 months?

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                            • #29
                              Copper State, MTS! I thank you!!!

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by copper10 View Post
                                Whats the lenght of time if it should rebound? I know everyone is different, but typically??? Like most people notice within couple weeks or even longer such as 6 months?
                                You're welcome Tommythebull
                                The initial rebound chemically is immediate within a week, your body should readjust during the nolva week. If the gyno is mild pea size lump and puffy nipples it won't come back unless you are taking a cycle of steroids or other chemicals in that case you will need to use an AI or Nolva throughout the cycle I found to keep sides low to use the AI first half then nolva the last half of the cycle.
                                For moderate cases if it starts coming back it will do so very slowly and you should keep an eye on it.
                                There are natural chemicals out there that may cause gyno, spearmint, liquorice, marijuana, red clover, Not all the phytoestrogen are harmful, but the chemical ones in gasoline, lavender scented stuff, and a few others maybe. There are studies that go both ways on this most point to little or no effect but it's better safe than sorry in my book.

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