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  • #31
    Originally posted by crash2226 View Post
    So it appears the majority opinion is low reps with heavier weight???

    Sorry I started an argument.

    Kevin
    Like Big Mike said you have to give yourself some time. Try out different training methods until you find what works for you. Some guys have such great genetics that they can figure out if a particular routine is working for them within a month. Not me that's for sure

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    • #32
      Originally posted by deepmar View Post
      Like Big Mike said you have to give yourself some time. Try out different training methods until you find what works for you. Some guys have such great genetics that they can figure out if a particular routine is working for them within a month. Not me that's for sure

      Another good point. He could also mix it up and get the best of both worlds. Find the exercises you want and do something like a 12/10/8/6 resp scheme or even a 15/12/10/8 and you'll get both high and low reps in.

      NYC BIG MIKE
      Looking for the "gang of 20".

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      • #33
        Originally posted by NYC BIG MIKE View Post
        Another good point. He could also mix it up and get the best of both worlds. Find the exercises you want and do something like a 12/10/8/6 resp scheme or even a 15/12/10/8 and you'll get both high and low reps in.

        NYC BIG MIKE

        Yup, but most of the time its not a rep range thing but a caloric surplus thing. Eat, Train, Eat, Sleep....Repeat.
        TRAIN HARD AND WIN EASY!!!
        Co-Promoter of the NPC "Royal Palm Classic"

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Tipsta View Post
          Its not argueing. Unlike you I am more than willing to help in any way I could and when I know something to be a certain way I will go to any length to help explain it in laymans terms over and over rather than just saying Ok fuck it then. Do you guys think I just make this shit up? I am just lucky to have had the education I have.
          Sorry Tipsta, I know you know your shit but I just got aggravated because it does seem like you tend to tell people that they are wrong in a very condescending way rather than give constructive criticism, but I know you were just trying to help.

          On another note, do you really believe that training for natural vs. enhanced bodybuilders really differs? I know that steroids can help but I'm pretty sure that drugs or not, the training should be virtually the same.

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          • #35
            i agree with Phil, why should training be any different for natural or not?? go at it hard and heavy, yes genetics helps and it does NOT hapen over night!! look at these big guys, bet it took many years for the Huge back!!

            1st post here hope all is good!!

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            • #36
              Originally posted by philborg View Post

              On another note, do you really believe that training for natural vs. enhanced bodybuilders really differs? I know that steroids can help but I'm pretty sure that drugs or not, the training should be virtually the same.

              I agree, but for some reason the Old days of training seem to have gotten lost in the new days of drugs. Back before the drugs during the golden era from 1960 to 1970 training was beyond any intensity than any of us know or could handle. We are SALLY'S compared to the guys back then.
              There was no such thing as a single set. It was to failure with forced reps then a superset that was part of some giant set. Let's be honest, today its just a memory.
              Last edited by Tipsta; January 13th, 2008, 03:54 PM.
              TRAIN HARD AND WIN EASY!!!
              Co-Promoter of the NPC "Royal Palm Classic"

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              • #37
                don't know Tipsta, some of us still do "total muscle failure" workouts!! pretty generalized comment there!! with that i would also say that some friends still believe that they need to workout harder when they are cycling then when they are not!! i would say that workouts these days a quite a bit more "scientific" in their regiment and nutrition compared to the guys back in the '60's era, even compared to the '70's & '80's!!

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by philborg View Post
                  Sorry Tipsta, I know you know your shit but I just got aggravated because it does seem like you tend to tell people that they are wrong in a very condescending way rather than give constructive criticism, but I know you were just trying to help.

                  On another note, do you really believe that training for natural vs. enhanced bodybuilders really differs? I know that steroids can help but I'm pretty sure that drugs or not, the training should be virtually the same.
                  I train the EXACT same way whether I am on or off, same sets, reps, amount of exercises, days per week, all identical..
                  Right-Wing Women Rock!

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                  • #39
                    I do have to say that I think some of today's physiques look more "watery" like the muscle would expell nothing but fluid, like it could "pop" so to speak and in the past the bodybuilders muscles looked thicker and denser, today's physiques look wider, but not thicker nor denser, and I am talking about both men and women. Not all of course but some...I have not seen a female bodybuilder thicker than Bev Francis, or Kay Baxter nor a male bodybuilder thicker than Casey Viator or Mike Menzter. and I am not talking about overall size, and width. I have seen videos of pro bodybuilders I see a lot of light-weight partial range of motion pumping sets. This does not correlate to all of todays bodybuilders but certainly quite a few....some are looking great out there but not all.
                    Right-Wing Women Rock!

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by 55nSexy View Post
                      don't know Tipsta, some of us still do "total muscle failure" workouts!! pretty generalized comment there!! with that i would also say that some friends still believe that they need to workout harder when they are cycling then when they are not!! i would say that workouts these days a quite a bit more "scientific" in their regiment and nutrition compared to the guys back in the '60's era, even compared to the '70's & '80's!!
                      Pretty generalized?

                      Show me one video from the in the trenches series, and there are plenty to watch, that has anyone doing even one forced rep or superset or any old school exercise.
                      TRAIN HARD AND WIN EASY!!!
                      Co-Promoter of the NPC "Royal Palm Classic"

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                      • #41
                        I gotta agree with Tipsta here. Bodybuilders back in the day would spend hours working out and the intensity is not often matched by todays bodybuilders.

                        NYC BIG MIKE
                        Looking for the "gang of 20".

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                        • #42
                          Let's break it down to the pedestrian level. Different fibers are recruited as the stress is increased. You want all the fibers eventually firing at once for maximum growth. The greater the stress, the quicker the response. Lifting heavy weight strictly quickly calls all the fibers into activity and places the greatest stress on them. You want to get them activated and then to failure quickly, which is what heavy training does...and is the basis for HIT training, which I believe our beloved Mr. Palumbo practices.

                          Anything over 10 reps requires lighter weight and trains ENDURANCE! Let's look at it anecdotely....who has larger thighs, the miler or the sprinter?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by esplendido View Post
                            Let's break it down to the pedestrian level. Different fibers are recruited as the stress is increased. You want all the fibers eventually firing at once for maximum growth. The greater the stress, the quicker the response. Lifting heavy weight strictly quickly calls all the fibers into activity and places the greatest stress on them. You want to get them activated and then to failure quickly, which is what heavy training does...and is the basis for HIT training, which I believe our beloved Mr. Palumbo practices.

                            Anything over 10 reps requires lighter weight and trains ENDURANCE! Let's look at it anecdotely....who has larger thighs, the miler or the sprinter?

                            They will be two sets though. The first to 8 then the second of 3 to 4. The workload created by this protocol will surpass just doing the 8 reps. Thats how its done. Anyone who doesnt train to failure and beyond with any protocol is limiting his growth.
                            TRAIN HARD AND WIN EASY!!!
                            Co-Promoter of the NPC "Royal Palm Classic"

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Tipsta View Post
                              I agree, but for some reason the Old days of training seem to have gotten lost in the new days of drugs. Back before the drugs during the golden era from 1960 to 1970 training was beyond any intensity than any of us know or could handle. We are SALLY'S compared to the guys back then.
                              There was no such thing as a single set. It was to failure with forced reps then a superset that was part of some giant set. Let's be honest, today its just a memory.
                              Tip....I almost broke out in hilarious laughter when I read this. Have you ever heard Sergio Oliva talk about those days? Or Serge Nubret. Or take it from me, who has talked personally with these old pros and have some of them as my friends.....steroids were used with abandon during those days. They were limited in variety, i.e. Deca, Test, DBol, but they used GREAT quantities. Their physiques are not far off from the men of today....especially if you take GH and Insulin out of the equation.

                              And, although some of those men worked out hours a day most of the days of the week, many of them did 5 hours a day once or twice a week....just like doing every bodypart once a week. Of course they overloaded. They did so by lifting HEAVY for medium reps. Many of them never changed their routine for years and never for contest training.

                              That being said, if high rep training works for you (as it did for Serge Nubret), then you have the genetic predisposition for it, which is rare.

                              And training should be the same for naturals and users. Users will just get bigger. Same principals apply.

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