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  • #61
    Originally posted by FUTURE View Post
    What he did at 198 & 220 is never going to be topped.
    Probably not anytime soon.

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    • #62
      strongest mm i dont really know the best was john pall just watch his docu on youtube its awesome rip

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Mike Arnold View Post
        No one mentioned Ed Coan because he never would've won against any of those men in 3-sport mixed comp like that. It's true that he had a great dead and squat, but his bench was mediocre, he probably never did an Olympic lift in his life (or at least not regulary), and he would've been horrible at strongman (wayyyy too short). That's much pretty eliminates Coan from having even a remote chance of winning that type of competition.

        Mask Henry would've done well in a comp like this, but wouldn't have won. He was very impressive at olympic lifting, had a solid total in powerlifting, but zero experience in strongman....and that would've hurt him. If he had some time to prepare for the strongman events, he would've done much better.
        Ed Coen never did Olympic lifting but he has tremendous shoulder strength, below is a video of him doing 400 behind the neck press, which is almost double BW. I agree though his height would hurt him some strongman events, but lifts like farmers walk, backllift, yoke height wouldnt be a factor.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC15Dgw4Ee4

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Mike Arnold View Post
          No one mentioned Ed Coan because he never would've won against any of those men in 3-sport mixed comp like that. It's true that he had a great dead and squat, but his bench was mediocre, he probably never did an Olympic lift in his life (or at least not regulary), and he would've been horrible at strongman (wayyyy too short). That's much pretty eliminates Coan from having even a remote chance of winning that type of competition.

          Mask Henry would've done well in a comp like this, but wouldn't have won. He was very impressive at olympic lifting, had a solid total in powerlifting, but zero experience in strongman....and that would've hurt him. If he had some time to prepare for the strongman events, he would've done much better.
          Benedikt Magnusson probably don't do any olympic lifts regulary either but for some reason you claimed that he was pretty good at those lifts.

          Ed Coan has benched 545 raw at 220. That's a hell of a raw bench in my opinion and according to all time rankings also. Coan wouldn't win a comp like this but he wasn't a mediocre bencher(except with a shirt that is).

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Mike Arnold View Post
            I still see a mid 500's bench as medicore among the best, espcially when I've seen a couple guys bench 600 raw at my gym on more than one occasion...and another man raw bench 580 lbs.....not to mention the raw record is 715 lbs.

            His bench was only mid-500's...and that's nothing really special among the world's best. There is no doubt Coan would get killed in both the Olympic and Strongman aspects of the competition. Overall, I think my post was pretty accurate...perhaps you simply thought I meant something otther than I did.

            However, I completely forgot Mark Henry did the ASC strongman because it's been so many years. Henry was a very strong guy overall and excelled at all 3 sports, which means mark would've been in the running with all those men in the list, possibly beating all of them. He definitely wouldnt win the ASC strongman today, but he was still vey good at all 3 spots, which is very rare......I just completely forgot that he did strongman.
            1) Eddie Coan's mid-500s @ 220-242 raw make him one of the greatest raw benchers ever at 242 pounds or less. And, because his benches were performed after max squatting, that makes it even more impressive. Look up how many 242 (or lighter) competitors have hit 545 raw in competition, then check how many of them were bench only and then look to see how many got that lift passed in a legit, strictly judged federation.

            2) We know that Bill Kazmaier could raw bench in the mid 600s but I'm not so sure about Savickas and Rezazadeh. Many strong overhead lifters focus more on triceps, back and shoulder strength and their bench is in the 500s at SHW.

            3) Who specifically in your gym has raw benched 580+ ? I'm assuming you mean "with contest form"? Because a guy like Coan could hit a 600 if he was allowed to bench ugly.

            4) Marc Henry, as much as I don't like his personality, would be very much in the running to win The Arnold Classic Pro Strongman if he was 100%. Henry's raw contest deadlifted 900+, he's raw contest squatted 900+, he was the first guy to one hand clean and press The Thomas Inch Dumbbell and he went to The Olympics for overhead pressing.

            Plus he won the 2002 Arnold Classic Pro Strongman, beating Svend Karlsen, Phil Pfister, Mark Philipi, Andy Bolton, Raimonds Burgmanis, Brad Gillingham and Brian Schoonveld (that's a crazee line-up right there!)

            5) And I didn't realise we were discussing who'd win in a three sport contest, sorry. I thought this thread was simply about who's the strongest overall, based on their performances in those sports. If a contest was held where each lifter had to perform the 3 powerlifts, the 2 Olympic lifts and 3 or 4 pro strongman events, then I'd say that Ken Patera and Serge Redding would be in the running too.






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            These guys were true buffalos and, with them tipping the scales at the mid to high 300s, you aren't gonna find bigger backs, quads or shoulders.
            Last edited by Sean Katterle; July 3rd, 2011, 05:13 PM.
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            • #66
              interesting replies.
              I didn't bother voting because I think it is impossible to say. This guy "at their best", that guy "at their best", pushing, pulling, olympic, strongman... pound for pound or biggest numbers? Too many factors.
              Cool thread though. Lot's of guys that you just forget sometimes.

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              • #67
                here is Ed Coen bench pressing "gym style" 555X2. Remember this guy only wears single ply, not those triple canvas deals.

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkszyU1d03Y


                This is of Coen deadlifting 901 @ 220lbs. One of the greatest feats of strenth ever caught on video.

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dpRC...eature=related

                Coen squating 950 x 2, straps down.

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Aiq...eature=related

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                • #68
                  If you think Coan's bench is mediocre then you have no idea what you are talking about. Also Coan did with limited lifting equipment...a t shirt!

                  Please enlighten us with the couple of 600 lb raw benchers in just your gym. You realize that your gym has a majority of the best raw benchers in the world?
                  Strength in life and lifting.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by BDEGRD View Post
                    here is Ed Coen bench pressing "gym style" 555X2. Remember this guy only wears single ply, not those triple canvas deals.

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkszyU1d03Y


                    This is of Coen deadlifting 901 @ 220lbs. One of the greatest feats of strenth ever caught on video.

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dpRC...eature=related

                    Coen squating 950 x 2, straps down.

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1Aiq...eature=related
                    And Coan didnt even struggle with 901
                    Strength in life and lifting.
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by m87r View Post
                      Benedikt Magnusson probably don't do any olympic lifts regulary either but for some reason you claimed that he was pretty good at those lifts.
                      Because he has some videos laying around doing some clean @ push-presses using around 400 lbs. Eddie Doesn't.


                      Ed Coan has benched 545 raw at 220. That's a hell of a raw bench in my opinion and according to all time rankings also. Coan wouldn't win a comp like this but he wasn't a mediocre bencher(except with a shirt that is).
                      He indeed "was" a mediocre bencher when comparing him against the "strongest" benchers of all time, which is exactly what I was doing and which I said I was doing. This isn't about who is the strongest per lb....it is about who would win in a 3-way contest....it's about who is the fuckin' strongest of all...period...and that isn't Eddie.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Sean Katterle View Post
                        1) Eddie Coan's mid-500s @ 220-242 raw make him one of the greatest raw benchers ever at 242 pounds or less.
                        This is true, but like I said...I was "specifically" comparing his bench to the "best" benchers of all time and some others in the list (namely Kaz), not those in his weight class. I was ONLY referencing his ability to do well in this 3-way comp, not whether he did great in his weight class. Overall, a mid 500's bench is awesome for anyone anyone at his bodyweight, but it's not so great when comparing it against the 600-700 lbs benchers, which is what I was doing.

                        And, because his benches were performed after max squatting, that makes it even more impressive. Look up how many 242 (or lighter) competitors have hit 545 raw in competition, then check how many of them were bench only and then look to see how many got that lift passed in a legit, strictly judged federation.
                        Again, he was great in his weight class, but a LONG way off from the very best.


                        2) We know that Bill Kazmaier could raw bench in the mid 600s but I'm not so sure about Savickas and Rezazadeh.
                        Yep, I think 660 lbs.....and from what I understand, Kaz was focusing on beating the 660 lb bench he did the previous year, but tore his pec in the WSM, which ended his benching career. At any rate, he was a good deal stronger on the bench than Eddie. Kaz woulv'be stomped Coan in this type of 3-way comp. He would've easily dusted him in strongman, probably olympic lifting (I think that's safe bet)...and would've equalled him in powerlifting. Coan was possibly the best powerlifter of all time...probably is, but is he the strongest overall when using these 3 sports as the baromter? Nope.

                        Many strong overhead lifters focus more on triceps, back and shoulder strength and their bench is in the 500s at SHW.
                        True...strongmen have no need to bench press...so they usually don't...and they certainly dont specialize in it. Still, there are quite a few 600 lb benchers in strongman.

                        3) Who specifically in your gym has raw benched 580+ ? I'm assuming you mean "with contest form"? Because a guy like Coan could hit a 600 if he was allowed to bench ugly.
                        I knew Mike Lackner, who was an amatuer BB'r and a great bencher, but never competed as powerlifter. He trained briefly with a few powerlifters known as Angelo Berardinelli (165 lb world champ for a few years) and Mike Cartinian (198 lb world champ for a little while), both of whom traind at my gym, along with many other powerlifters. Angelo asked Mike to train with them, but it that didn't last long because he didn't like their methods.....not to mention he was stronger than all of them when it came to raw bench pressing and probably even raw squatting (Cartinian squatted 900 lbs at 198 with equipment, but Lackner was a stronger raw squatter, doing 700 lbs for a handful or reps to parallel.

                        During this time, Lackner raw benched 580-585 lbs many times. He didn't officially pause, but he lowered the weight slow and just exploded back up when it touched him...he did NOT bouce at all. He laid completely FLAT on the bench...no arch at all...ass smashed into the bench. He was definitely not tryng to minimize his range of motion. Had he adjusted his form to maximize his poundages, he would've done even more...for sure. He was a lean 260-270 lbs at about 5'10...he was a very strong man and well known in the area. He has since movedout of state. This was probably around 8 years ago when he was doing this.

                        4) Marc Henry, as much as I don't like his personality, would be very much in the running to win The Arnold Classic Pro Strongman if he was 100%. Henry's raw contest deadlifted 900+, he's raw contest squatted 900+, he was the first guy to one hand clean and press The Thomas Inch Dumbbell and he went to The Olympics for overhead pressing.
                        Yeah, but I don't think he would win today. The Thomas inch dumbell isn't shit in strongman today. Guys lift much heavier bells for many reps today.

                        Plus he won the 2002 Arnold Classic Pro Strongman, beating Svend Karlsen, Phil Pfister, Mark Philipi, Andy Bolton, Raimonds Burgmanis, Brad Gillingham and Brian Schoonveld (that's a crazee line-up right there!)
                        Yep...but our guys are even better today at these strongman events. Strongman has progressed by leaps and bounds since 2002.


                        5) And I didn't realise we were discussing who'd win in a three sport contest, sorry. I thought this thread was simply about who's the strongest overall, based on their performances in those sports. If a contest was held where each lifter had to perform the 3 powerlifts, the 2 Olympic lifts and 3 or 4 pro strongman events, then I'd say that Ken Patera and Serge Redding would be in the running too.
                        I forgot about Patera...guys was crazy strong.


                        These guys were true buffalos and, with them tipping the scales at the mid to high 300s, you aren't gonna find bigger backs, quads or shoulders.
                        I agree....beasts...crazy....crazy! The good old days.
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                        • #72
                          Jason Genova

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by FUTURE View Post
                            If you think Coan's bench is mediocre then you have no idea what you are talking about. Also Coan did with limited lifting equipment...a t shirt!
                            If you think Coan's bench is anything but mediocre in comparison to the top benches of all time (which I made CLEAR I was referring to), despite weight class, then you have no idea what you're talking about. Somehow I figured a mid 500's bench would be considered "mediocre" in comparison to a 715 raw bnch, but I am not really sure how you compare numbers.

                            Please enlighten us with the couple of 600 lb raw benchers in just your gym. You realize that your gym has a majority of the best raw benchers in the world?
                            Rather, it must be that your gym just doesn't have any good lifters? First of all, LOL at your comment that my gym would have the "majority" of the best raw benchers simply because a coulple of guys could press between 580-600 lbs. Apparently, you do not know what you are talking about if you think that constitutes the "majority" of the world's best raw benchers.

                            At it's peak, my gym housed a 165 lb world champion (Angerllo Berardinelli)....a 198 lb world champion (Mike Cartinian)....top 3 WSM finalist (Don Pope)....3-4 other pro strongmen....a powerlifter with one of the best co-fficients in the world at 165 lbs (forgot his name...he always came at weird hours)....several other elite level powerlifters (probably 8-10)....a powerlifter who could press 600 lbs raw with no pause, but other wise passing form (Big John at 308 lbs)....a "BB'r" (Mike Lackner...was in MuscleMag a few times) who could raw bench between 580-585 lbs with no pause, but no bounce and otherwise passing form (which he did many times at between 260-270 lean lbs). In fact, he never even tried to maximize his poundages by adjusting his form. He basically just laid down on the bench and started benching with zero regard for putting his body into position for maximum pressing strength. Very strong guy. Lastly, we would occasionally have some of the top lifters from Westside come up to train there (just a couple hours away),as guys like Angelo knew Louie Simmons and other guys from Westside, having trained there when he was younger.

                            So, my gym was pretty well off. Sounds like your gym is lacking, no?

                            .....

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                            • #74
                              Thanks for explaining.

                              As long as a gym has equipment I require it has little bearing on who attends for my training. Id love to train at a gym like that but I am not as fortunate.
                              Strength in life and lifting.
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by FUTURE View Post
                                Thanks for explaining.

                                As long as a gym has equipment I require it has little bearing on who attends for my training. Id love to train at a gym like that but I am not as fortunate.
                                I hear ya'.....and I agree.

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