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  • #76
    Originally posted by jdilla2812 View Post
    Would anyone suggest Sustanon 250 for a first cycle? or is that just too complicated because it is a mixture of four different testosterones?
    Should be no problem
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    • #77
      Heavy, for the PCT can I just use 11-oxo in place of Vitamin C for it's role in keeping the cortisol in check?

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      • #78
        Heavy,
        Have a friend that is starting a test e cycle for 8 weeks. Everyone is telling him different things about pct's. What do you recommend for him?

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        • #79
          HI...wouldn't doing a cycle of just Deca alone be just as effective?
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          • #80
            ^^^^
            explain your reasoning behind this.
            "I like them more around the age of 10 or so that way I can think of your physique because I'm so hopelessly in love with your body" - killinweights

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            • #81
              Originally posted by bluecountry View Post
              HI...wouldn't doing a cycle of just Deca alone be just as effective?
              You can add LBM with Deca alone but there will be a number of unwanted side effects like loss of libido not to mention a harder recovery. Many times Nandrolone is more difficult to deal with when sides present therefore Testosterone is recommended as a first cycle and as a base to future cycles.
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              • #82
                Originally posted by BigDHall View Post
                Heavy,
                Have a friend that is starting a test e cycle for 8 weeks. Everyone is telling him different things about pct's. What do you recommend for him?
                The PCT protocol is explained in the first post. Read it a few times and post any follow up questions you may have if needed.
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by flavalava View Post
                  Hello Heavyiron. I read this from another forum and please let me know of your own opinion on this HCG protocol. It's much diff than yours in terms of the dosage. HCG starts after 3 weeks of cycling and as for PCT, only 1000iu/week. Is the dosage too low? Also it says that you should stop AI 4 days after last HCG shot. :/
                  Originally posted by dnice91369 View Post
                  What is your opinion on the Esplendido HRT guy over at ** on not using Hcg for PCT as he says that it will prevent true return of normal natural test levels until you stop Hcg?
                  Herein lies the "conflict" that is becoming more and more aggressive in the last year. There's about 50% of folks online saying to use HCG and an AI both during cycle and PCT, and then other 50% of folks saying to only use HCG and an AI on cycle and NOT on PCT (or only partially).

                  heavyiron, I shot you over a PM (I apologize in advance about stuffing your Inbox with something that should probably be asked here), but basically it was on the lines of what I just stated.

                  Thanks for ALL that you do for this community!

                  Bubba

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Unvme2 View Post
                    Ok, here is my question. I do not have the means to get aromasin. My PCT will be nolva, clomid, HCG. What could I take besides aromasin during a cycle to keep my estrogen levels in check. Also will be using HcG during cycle as well. This is also my first cycle. I am worried about gyno during cycle. From reading what Heavy wrote. I could take tamoxifen as a emergency purpose but if I did not want to wait that long, what can I take during besides aromasin? thanks guys
                    there are scads of these AIs around now. arimidex and letrozole are the first that come to mind. both of these can be obtained through research companies or foreign pharmacies. There are also a few (likely weaker) AIs offered by supplement companies, but i cant recommend any. Perhaps heavy can.
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by jdilla2812 View Post
                      Would anyone suggest Sustanon 250 for a first cycle? or is that just too complicated because it is a mixture of four different testosterones?
                      Yes, that's fine. It's all Test with different esters. It's mean to last a long time, but what it does is give you a rapid peak and a long decay. If you use sustanon i recommend breaking up your shots into at least 2 times per week.
                      pistolthedon to mike arnold: "I want to melt inside you."

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by bluecountry
                        I take it only the AAS here, Test, is illegal and the rest I can purchase OTC.
                        Where exactly then since Test and AAS is illegal can you get it?
                        Asking for a source is against the rules. We provide information on these chemicals. You need to find your hook ups elsewhere.
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by heavyiron View Post
                          Asking for a source is against the rules. We provide information on these chemicals. You need to find your hook ups elsewhere.
                          Is everything BUT Test legal?

                          Jimmyrides....very nice wiseguy.
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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by bluecountry View Post
                            Is everything BUT Test legal?

                            Jimmyrides....very nice wiseguy.
                            Testosterone is a scheduled drug like most anabolic steroids. They require a prescription or are illegal depending on which country you live in. The US requires a prescription.
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                            • #89
                              I read that estrogen rebound is possible with arimidex, because it doesnt permanently deactivate the enzyme unlike aromasin. However, I have decided that I will be running it from week 1 of the cycle until the very end of my PCT. Do you think estrogen rebound will actually be possible after that point? Here's the cycle:

                              The cycle will be 500 mg weekly for ten weeks and two weeks after the last injection I will start a four week PCT with Clomid; 100/100/100/50 (basically how you recommend it :P) and running arimidex 0.5 mg daily.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Baris View Post
                                I read that estrogen rebound is possible with arimidex, because it doesnt permanently deactivate the enzyme unlike aromasin. However, I have decided that I will be running it from week 1 of the cycle until the very end of my PCT. Do you think estrogen rebound will actually be possible after that point? Here's the cycle:

                                The cycle will be 500 mg weekly for ten weeks and two weeks after the last injection I will start a four week PCT with Clomid; 100/100/100/50 (basically how you recommend it :P) and running arimidex 0.5 mg daily.
                                And to further this question, what does permanent mean in this context?
                                The aromatase enzyme never comes back online and pretty much renders them useless which in turn means aromatase wont happen in the future anymore?

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