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  • #16
    Originally posted by marcus300 View Post
    Paul introduce this to me many years ago, he explained in detail to me and once i tried it i never went back to normal way of cycling, things have moved on alot since PB but yes, he was one of the guys who first pushed this way of cycling/priming.
    This is something I am intrigued about.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by stavios View Post
      your body must be filled with holes everywhere after the 6 weeks !
      Yes, it's a beautiful thing. When you drink water, you look like a lawn sprinkler.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by marcus300 View Post
        Your personal experience is very valuable to all readers me included so dont hold back.

        I agree, its not just the short cycle weather its heavy/med/light it is whole theory, the diet/priming is so important when doing a short cycle or any kind of cycling, putting your body into a very anabolic state so muscle tissue can grow is important for gains. You have great in sight into the diet side of things and love reading your views and it always comes down to the indivdual and how he responds, do you feel 6 weeks is an ideal limit for you on moderate dose?

        I know i get asked alot about burst type cycles but it really only relates to advance user's this type of cycling, but short cycling can be used at any stage so long as the dosages are in line with their cycle history and level.
        i feel the same way about RR even though we don't always agree i know he is my superior when it comes to diet and details of drug use like cruising. i am eager to hear about his experiences as i have never done less then 8 weeks and that was always with a heavy ester.

        what dosage would you guys recommend for someone who has done about 25 cycles? i tolerate 1200/week well for short periods.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by heavyiron1 View Post
          i feel the same way about RR even though we don't always agree i know he is my superior when it comes to diet and details of drug use like cruising. i am eager to hear about his experiences as i have never done less then 8 weeks and that was always with a heavy ester.

          what dosage would you guys recommend for someone who has done about 25 cycles? i tolerate 1200/week well for short periods.
          Depends on what scale your talking about, if its burst cycling dosages i wouldnt really want to post them on the open board incase newbies are looking in, but i will say that the dose of a burst is alot more than your normally use and with daily injections, priming and a short burst does work well for people who have come to a stop in their development and need a shock into further growth, usually for advance BB's only.
          marcus

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          • #20
            Hi Marcus,
            I'm new here so please forgive the "newbieness".
            I didn't realise you knew Paul all that well - he was a sound guy despite his eccentricities and problems.

            Quick question for you - how do/did you cope with the sides on his short-burst regime?
            I know the idea is you won't suffer too many sides because of the short duration, but I know several people who tried his ideas and ended up out of breath by day 15, let alone day 56 as per his original Voyager stack.

            Did you need to use herbal diuretics/glycerin/etc, or cut a course short because you just got so damn heavy you couldn't walk up the stairs without palpitations?

            Thanks.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by rightyho View Post
              Hi Marcus,
              I'm new here so please forgive the "newbieness".
              I didn't realise you knew Paul all that well - he was a sound guy despite his eccentricities and problems.

              Quick question for you - how do/did you cope with the sides on his short-burst regime?
              I know the idea is you won't suffer too many sides because of the short duration, but I know several people who tried his ideas and ended up out of breath by day 15, let alone day 56 as per his original Voyager stack.

              Did you need to use herbal diuretics/glycerin/etc, or cut a course short because you just got so damn heavy you couldn't walk up the stairs without palpitations?

              Thanks.
              I knew Paul only from bodybuilding i wouldnt say i knew him well, but i was in contact with him for a bit regarding certain areas he was involved with.

              I never use a 56day protocol using burst dosages, for me i use to go to around 30 day mark and the dosages what are shown are not what i used, i keep stating this in all these threads regarding burst cycles- dosages are worked off the persons cycle history, so what a high level UK competiter would use is nothing what i would use.

              This is were i disagree with PB's on this side of things posting dosages on other advanced bodybuilders is wrong because alot of newbies will think thats the dose they need to use if they try something like this, its not, dose is designed from the BB's cycle history.

              Sides for me were low, recovery was easier and better, gains were maintained far better. Of course some have sides issues but not what you may be thinking, the body takes time to respond with sides and usually the cycle is coming to an end so no major ones really come up, unless you run it to long but that kind of defeats the object of running short cycle.

              If your running heavy suppresive compounds you will increase the risk of serious sides, so knowing how you resspond from previous cycles is a good indication to how the cycle will be designed.
              marcus

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              • #22
                marcus, there's been some talk about the testosterone "NEBIDO" on several threads including dave's and RR'S. there seems to be some confusion as to how to apply it to bodybuilding and not just testosterone replacement. RR suggested to ask you because he said you have first hand knowledge about the compound. can you please tell us how this would best used to get BIG. THANKS IN ADVANCE................

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by diamondcalves View Post
                  marcus, there's been some talk about the testosterone "NEBIDO" on several threads including dave's and RR'S. there seems to be some confusion as to how to apply it to bodybuilding and not just testosterone replacement. RR suggested to ask you because he said you have first hand knowledge about the compound. can you please tell us how this would best used to get BIG. THANKS IN ADVANCE................
                  Nebido is the king Test in my eyes, I use it only for HRT 4ml shoot 1000mgs of TU 4 shots a year and i feel great and the best therapy ive ever been on or tried.

                  Ive not come across anyone using it for bodybuilding cycles, i knew this will raise its head into this area but i dont know anyone who as used it but of course you could, just work out the half life and active blood concentration and shoot the required amount for your cycle, i have plenty of studies regarding this product but only as far as HRT goes.

                  Why would you want to use TU instead of prop/test e/cyp?
                  marcus

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by marcus300 View Post
                    Nebido is the king Test in my eyes, I use it only for HRT 4ml shoot 1000mgs of TU 4 shots a year and i feel great and the best therapy ive ever been on or tried.

                    Ive not come across anyone using it for bodybuilding cycles, i knew this will raise its head into this area but i dont know anyone who as used it but of course you could, just work out the half life and active blood concentration and shoot the required amount for your cycle, i have plenty of studies regarding this product but only as far as HRT goes.

                    Why would you want to use TU instead of prop/test e/cyp?
                    since where i live(dominican republic) i can by it without a script in any pharmacy, and the price down here is much better than what i see online, i thought i'd give it a try. but, i've included EOD shots of prop to "jack it up" a bit. i've already done two whole amps(i'm doing one amp every 30 days), and 300mgs prop weekly with it(100mgs eod), and the results are WAAAAAAAY BETTER THAN ANY TEST COMBO I'VE EVER USED. i wanted to hear what you had to say, since not many bb's have experimented with it yet. i think it kicks enanthate & cypionate's ass. as for erections, the best i've ever had. who needs viagra,lol,lol. thanks for your response.......MUCH APPRECIATED!!!!

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                    • #25
                      i am currently doing this at the moment.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by diamondcalves View Post
                        since where i live(dominican republic) i can by it without a script in any pharmacy, and the price down here is much better than what i see online, i thought i'd give it a try. but, i've included EOD shots of prop to "jack it up" a bit. i've already done two whole amps(i'm doing one amp every 30 days), and 300mgs prop weekly with it(100mgs eod), and the results are WAAAAAAAY BETTER THAN ANY TEST COMBO I'VE EVER USED. i wanted to hear what you had to say, since not many bb's have experimented with it yet. i think it kicks enanthate & cypionate's ass. as for erections, the best i've ever had. who needs viagra,lol,lol. thanks for your response.......MUCH APPRECIATED!!!!
                        Get it without a script..damn it must be nice to be you!
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by plutonianman View Post
                          Get it without a script..damn it must be nice to be you!
                          No it isn't.... he's dead.
                          Somebody put somethin' in my drink.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Stav T. View Post
                            No it isn't.... he's dead.

                            sad but true....
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Hawk of Doom View Post
                              No it isn't.... he's dead.
                              No shit lol...R.I.P


                              Anyways I'd like some more info on this short burst cycle thing. I would be interested in trying this out.
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                              • #30
                                Hi Marcus... i live in the UK also...where do you train?
                                Do you have an email mate?
                                Thanks

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