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  • #16
    I think less is better when we are talking about solvents as almost all currently used are toxic to some degree. For example, here is a few links to the MSDS sheets for some commonly used solvents. Notice that many require the use of GOGGLES & SHIELD; LAB COAT & APRON; VENT HOOD; PROPER GLOVES; CLASS B EXTINGUISHER.
    Also notice the health warnings/ Potential health effects:
    Potential Health Effects
    ----------------------------------

    Inhalation:
    Causes irritation to the respiratory tract. Symptoms may include coughing, shortness of breath. May be absorbed into the bloodstream with symptoms similar to ingestion.
    Ingestion:
    Large doses may cause sore throat, coughing, labored respiration, dizziness, dullness, abdominal pain, vomiting, central nervous system depression, convulsions, and death due to respiratory failure.
    Skin Contact:
    May cause irritation, redness, pain, and tissue injury. May be absorbed through the skin with symptoms paralleling ingestion.
    Eye Contact:
    Causes irritation, redness, and pain. Can cause eye damage.
    Chronic Exposure:
    Chronic exposure may cause skin effects.

    This was for BA, however, you will notice most are similar. This is not to say that they(solvents) dont have their place, just that they should be used in as small an amount as possible.

    BA
    http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/b1885.htm

    BB
    http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Benzyl_benzoate-9923071


    EO
    http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Ethyl_Oleate-9927169

    Polysorbate-80
    http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-POLYSORBATE_80-9926645

    Propylene glycol
    http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/p6928.htm

    Guaiacol
    http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/g8246.htm

    Benzyl salicylate
    https://fscimage.fishersci.com/msds/46978.htm

    Ill post a few more later.

    B

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    • #17
      Alot of people commonly ask for a good technique for capping powders.
      You can get a capping contraption for about $15
      You can also get roughly 500 caps for about $8
      You can use almost anything for a filler, the finer the filler powder, the easier to use.
      BCAA's, Creatine, Glutamine, Protein powder are all good for example.
      Say we are working with 24 caps. You want to weigh those caps empty first.
      Now fill those caps with filler. Make sure you compress the powder with a card or something.
      After you have them full, weigh them and subtract the empty cap weight from the full cap
      weight. Lets say that amounts to 10g.
      Now lets say we want to make caps that are 25mg. Multiply 25 x 24. (25mgx24caps)
      So we have 600mg total active compound. Subtract that from the 10g total full cap weight.
      That brings us to 9400mg. Thats the amount of filler we need.
      So 600mg active compound, 9400mg filler= 10000mg or 10g
      Combine these using a mortar and pestle. Add a few drops of liquid food coloring so that
      you can tell the difference between your batches of caps. This helps when you have several
      different types. Anavar, Tamoxifen etc. It also helps you to know when your filler and
      active compound are fully mixed. Mix well just incase.
      Now take your fully mixed powder and dump in all in your tray on one side, use a credit
      card to spread it out. the caps will fill easily if the powder is dry but you will be left
      with some powder not in the caps. Use the card to compress the powder into the caps and
      repeat untill all the powder is in the caps.
      Apply the tops and squeeze togeather untill they are tightly capped.

      B

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      • #18
        Originally posted by brundel View Post
        Alot of people commonly ask for a good technique for capping powders.
        You can get a capping contraption for about $15
        You can also get roughly 500 caps for about $8
        You can use almost anything for a filler, the finer the filler powder, the easier to use.
        BCAA's, Creatine, Glutamine, Protein powder are all good for example.
        Say we are working with 24 caps. You want to weigh those caps empty first.
        Now fill those caps with filler. Make sure you compress the powder with a card or something.
        After you have them full, weigh them and subtract the empty cap weight from the full cap
        weight. Lets say that amounts to 10g.
        Now lets say we want to make caps that are 25mg. Multiply 25 x 24. (25mgx24caps)
        So we have 600mg total active compound. Subtract that from the 10g total full cap weight.
        That brings us to 9400mg. Thats the amount of filler we need.
        So 600mg active compound, 9400mg filler= 10000mg or 10g
        Combine these using a mortar and pestle. Add a few drops of liquid food coloring so that
        you can tell the difference between your batches of caps. This helps when you have several
        different types. Anavar, Tamoxifen etc. It also helps you to know when your filler and
        active compound are fully mixed. Mix well just incase.
        Now take your fully mixed powder and dump in all in your tray on one side, use a credit
        card to spread it out. the caps will fill easily if the powder is dry but you will be left
        with some powder not in the caps. Use the card to compress the powder into the caps and
        repeat untill all the powder is in the caps.
        Apply the tops and squeeze togeather untill they are tightly capped.

        B
        another interesting post,
        thanks man
        All posts are for entertainment and may contain fiction. Consult a doctor before using any medication.

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        • #19
          You can use a coffee grinder as well. Much quicker.

          B

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          • #20
            Originally posted by heavyiron View Post
            I would like to get some info out there on conversions and recipes so if you have them post them up. all questions are welcomed but please do not post sources. This is for informational purposes only.
            Oops, my bad! The thread title threw me off. Byeeee....

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            • #21
              Testosterone cupcakes?

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              • #22
                she's a closet chemist
                All posts are for entertainment and may contain fiction. Consult a doctor before using any medication.

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                • #23
                  TRENBOLONE ACETATE

                  Commonly people will dissolve their pellets in BA/BB, pour through a coffee filter, add oil and run through a whatman 22um syringe filter into a sterile vial. This will work but in my opinion the result is not as clean and pure as the crystal fina method. Also it is hard to determine the final potency of your tren unless you weigh the powder first.

                  2g fina
                  1 bottle HEET.
                  2 jars 1 small (40-70 ml) 1 large (300-500) with tight caps.
                  Funnel
                  Coffee filters
                  1gal distilled water (keep it cold in the fridge)
                  1 empty 1gal water jug.
                  A cottage cheese or similar container, cleaned thoroughly with a small pinhole in the center so water will drip slowly through. (Test for efficiency before using)
                  A 3-5ml syringe and a bigger one, like 30+



                  Empty 1cart FINA into the small jar.
                  Use something to crush the pellets (I used the flat butt end of a spoon) *You could also use a mortar and pestle but you will lose less if you crush them in the container your going to dissolve them in.

                  Add 20ml or so Methanol, cap and swirl around. The better you have crushed the pellets the faster it will dissolve. If you have a watertight container then you can shake it but be certain its watertight beforehand or you will be very disappointed when your fina splashes all over.

                  Put the coffee filter into the funnel and trim it so that the top of the filter is shorter than the top of the funnel. Put the funnel into the top of the larger bottle.

                  Using the cap from the bottle of HEET (you can use whatever is available) pour a bit of methanol onto the filter so that is it wet.

                  Swirl your methanol/fina solution around a bit and then pour through the filter.
                  Add another ml or 2 to the empty vial swirl it around and pour through filter. Do this a couple times to get all the fina out of the bottle. Cover the funnel with saran wrap or something to prevent methanol evaporation.

                  Using a syringe spray a few ml methanol in a circular motion from the outside of the filter into the center to wash the filtrate into the center and to ensure you got everything through. It may take a few times.

                  Throw the filter away this is the crap we are trying to get rid of.
                  Keep the fluid.

                  Place the cottage cheese container on top of the bottle and fill with 200ml cold distilled water. After your 200ml has been added drop wise let the fluid sit for about 2 hours.

                  Place your funnel into the mouth of an empty 1gal water jug.
                  Add another coffee filter and pour the crystals through. *(Save the fluid you filter for now. If your final batch weight is very low, like 1 gram, it’s possible there is some fina left uncrystallized. Since you have already added more water, it will have started to crystallize in the big jug. Refilter it and dry it. Add this to your final powder before making an injectable.)

                  Rinse with at least 1/5 gallon distilled water. I use a spray bottle.

                  Remove the filter and set it out to dry for 12 -24 hours or until totally dry.

                  Scrape the dry powder into another small vial and weigh.



                  Now we are ready to make an Injectable.

                  You have weighed your powder so you can adjust your calculations accordingly.
                  Go here http://absinth.greatnow.com/calcpowder2.html


                  Set oil according to how much your powder weighs. Multiply powder weight x10. So if it weighs 1.9g, oil in ml will be 19ml.

                  100 for the dosage mg

                  Leave powder weight alone.

                  BA 2%

                  BB 10%

                  Combine all ingredients into small bottle.
                  Heat in a warm water bath to dissolve crystals and lower viscosity.
                  Using a new 10-20ml syringe with an 18g needle draw the tren.
                  Attach a 22um syringe filter and filter into a new sterile 20ml or larger vial. Vent with a 25g needle. Be careful not to put it too deep into the vial or your tren will spill out.

                  Roughly 2ml will remain in the filter, you will need to, using another 3-5ml syringe attached to the filter run an additional 2ml oil through to flush all your tren out.

                  Brundel
                  Last edited by brundel; April 18th, 2011, 08:00 PM.

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                  • #24
                    If anyone has any other good recipes please post em.
                    There is alot of old info out there and we have since learned better. For example there must be 500000 recipe posts where the BA is universally 5% and the BB is always 20%.
                    B

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by brundel View Post
                      If anyone has any other good recipes please post em.
                      There is alot of old info out there and we have since learned better. For example there must be 500000 recipe posts where the BA is universally 5% and the BB is always 20%.
                      B
                      Bro, not alot of people know as much as you do when it comes to recipes. most are probably intimidated by the wealth of knowledge that you have posted. THANKS FOR SHARING. KEEP IT UP. very, very, interesting stuff............

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                      • #26
                        yup, brundel is a good teacher
                        All posts are for entertainment and may contain fiction. Consult a doctor before using any medication.

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                        • #27
                          OILS

                          Cottonseed oil:
                          Cottonseed oil is a waste product of the cotton industry, so it costs the food manufacturers next to nothing to procure a plentiful supply. The only problem with this is that cotton is not a food crop, therefore is not subject to the same restrictions as to pesticide and fungicide levels. In fact, cotton is one of the most heavily sprayed crops in the world. There are quite often toxic levels of pesticides and fungicides left over and since Im not willing to bet the filtering gets it out. It is light in color and fairly thin. This oil is commonly used in pharmaceutical grade gear again due to its price and availability.

                          Grapeseed oil:
                          Grapeseed Oil is by far the best IMHO. Aside from the information I gave about cottonseed oil, Grapeseed oil is fairly thin has a low risk for allergic reaction and has a number of additional side benefits which include...3,6 and 9 unsaturated fats. Linoleic acid for example. Grapeseed oil also contains Antioxidants and an additional compound that I found quite interesting. Resveratrol. well known for its heart-health and life-extending benefits is also an Estrogen blocker. Because of its unique chemical structure which binds to the estrogen receptor, thus blocking estrogenic activity, it has the ability to increase LH and FSH. The estrogen modulating effects of resveratrol have been proven to dramatically increase testosterone levels, fertility, and erection strength in several animal studies, without any side-effects. Other research with resveratrol has uncovered its supportive role in healthy blood vessel function. Grapeseed man... Grapeseed oil is generally green in color with a low viscosity. This in my opinion is the choice for homebrewers and kitchen chemists.

                          Soybean oil:
                          Most people have not used this product but I hear good things. Here is a study I found where soybean oil was used as a vehicle for injectable testosterone with good results.

                          Document title
                          Pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of injectable testosterone undecanoate in castrated cynomolgus monkeys (Macaca fascicularis) are independent ofdifferent oil vehicles
                          Auteur(s) / Author(s)
                          WISTUBA Joachim ; LUETJENS C. Marc ; KAMISCHKE Axel ; GU Yi-Qun ; SCHLATT Stefan ; SIMONI Manuela ; NIESCHLAG Eberhard ;
                          Résumé / Abstract
                          Testosterone undecanoate (TU) dissolved in soybean oil was developed in China to improve the pharmacokinetics of this testosterone ester in comparison with TU in castor or tea seed oil. As a pre-clinical primate model, three groups of five castrated cynomolgus macaques received either a single intramuscular injection of 10 mg/kg bodyweight TU in soybean oil, in tea seed oil, or in castor oil (equals 6.3 mg pure T/kg bodyweight for all preparations). Testosterone, estradiol, luteinizing hormone, and follicle-stimulating hormone as well as prostate volume, body weight and ejaculate weight were evaluated. After injection supraphysiological testosterone levels were induced. There were no significant differences in the pharmacokinetics of the three TU preparations for testosterone and estradiol. The gonadotropin levels showed a high individual variation. Prostate volumes increased equally in all groups after administration and declined to castrate level afterwards. The results suggest that TU in soybean oil produces similar effects as TU in the other vehicles. This study in non-human primates provides no objection to testing of this new preparation in humans.
                          Revue / Journal Title
                          Journal of medical primatology ISSN 0047-2565 CODEN JMPMAO
                          Source / Source
                          2005, vol. 34, no4, pp. 178-187 [10 page(s) (article)]
                          Langue / Language
                          Anglais
                          Editeur / Publisher
                          Blackwell, Oxford, ROYAUME-UNI (1972) (Revue)
                          Mots-clés d'auteur / Author Keywords
                          castor oil ; macaque ; pharmacokinetics ; soybean oil ; tea seed oil ; testosterone undecanoate ;
                          Localisation / Location
                          INIST-CNRS, Cote INIST : 15665, 35400013816336.0030

                          I will dig up some more info on other oils shortly.

                          B

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                          • #28
                            I have 4 of those little round plastic green things the syvnovex comes in is each one a cart if not how many makes up a cart. all I need is some heet water and beakers. I have the rest.
                            IF THE BAR ISNT BENDING ITS NOT HEAVY ENOUGH GO WORKOUT WITH THE YOGA CROWD CHICKEN SHIT

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                            • #29
                              yeah each one is a cart containing 2000mg test prop and 200mg estradiol benzoate. Take your time with the conversion and the result is the best prop that can be had. Its really tasty Im running my last batch out right now and LOVING it.

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                              • #30
                                Sterilizing oil for injection.

                                Often people pay an arm and a leg for filtered oil. Somewhere in the realm of 17$ for

                                100ml.This is insane as its very cheap to buy. You can buy a couple litres or safflower oil

                                or grapeseed oil from your local grocery store and filter it yourself.

                                Lets start with 1000ml just to get the idea.
                                You will need:
                                1000ml, your oil of choice
                                1x Millipore 22um stericup filter and receiver cup combo. * You will also need a hand pump
                                1x septa top



                                1. Setup your filter by attaching pump and filling the top with 1000ml oil.
                                2. Give the pump a few squeezes untill the PSI guage reades 8.5-9 (no higher).
                                3. Every few min squeeze a few more times to keep pressure at 8.5-9 PSI.
                                4. When all the oil has been filtered carefully remove septa top from packaging and carefully replace the filter on top of the receiver with the septa top being careful not to infect the bottle.
                                The septa top has a silicon stopper that allows a needle to pass through and you to draw oil from it in smaller than 1000ml increments.
                                You can add 10ml of BA if you want but there is not really any need unless you plan on injecting the oil straight from the flask. For example, you are cutting a bottle of prop shot by shot. (not recommended)
                                Usually you will be filtering the oil again so the BA can be added then.
                                I say 10 ml BA so that you can add another 10ml when preparing an injectable =2%
                                You can usually run 3000 ml easy through a filter and even more if you use a prefilter.
                                There is usually not a reason to produce more than 1k sterile oil at a time.
                                No you do not need to heat it. A 22um pore filter wont let anything through. It shouldnt take more than 2-5 min.

                                Good luck

                                B

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