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    i plan to do a few cycles in the future so i wanna learn all i can about liver support, how much water to drink, how much of the gains i'll keep; just basic noob questions. this may be retarded but it there a site/ sites i can go to to do some research to get my questions answered? thanks guys.

  • #2
    Halodrol is a good starter PH. 1-1.5 gallons water daily is good. Cycle supporting sups are recommended.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by heavyiron View Post
      Halodrol is a good starter PH. 1-1.5 gallons water daily is good. Cycle supporting sups are recommended.
      is there a site/ sites i can go to to do some research? i don't wanna go this not knowing a thing and spiking my bp, killing my liver and loosing all my gains lol.

      edit: sorry i forgot to thank you for your advice so thank you.
      Last edited by Ajthemeso; November 30th, 2012, 09:09 AM.

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      • #4
        I can answer any questions you have brother.

        Check out this info on Advanced Cycle Support.

        ADVANCED CYCLE SUPPORT **™

        Liver/Organ/Lipid Support Formula




        -Complete 'On Cycle' Prohormone Support
        -Protects the Liver & Major Organs
        -Improves Lipid Profiles
        -Decreases Blood Pressure
        -Prostate Support


        [VIEW LABEL]


        ADVANCED CYCLE SUPPORT **™ contains 7 key ingredients for complete 'on cycle' protection.



        Milk Thistle (Silybum marianum) - One function of the liver is to detoxify and remove toxins, including heavy metals and chemotherapy, from the body. Milk thistle is a liver protective. It is an antioxidant that helps repair damaged liver cells. Studies have shown evidence that silymarin acts almost solely on the liver and kidney. The antioxidant properties in silymarin are believed to be the protective factors. Laboratory studies demonstrate that silymarin functions as a potent antioxidant, stabilizes cellular membranes, stimulates detoxification pathways, stimulates regeneration of liver tissue, inhibits the growth of certain cancer cell lines, exerts direct cytotoxic activity toward certain cancer cell lines.

        NAC (N-Acetylcysteine) - NAC can help to prevent damage to the liver being a powerful anti-oxidant and cell detoxification co-factor, NAC works to eliminate your body of free radicals and heavy metals. N-Acetyl-Cysteine is currently the dietary supplement of choice for building up cysteine or conserving the body's store of Glutathione, Cysteine and other Sulfhydryl anti-oxidant resources. This is very crucial for the body's life functions, as NAC helps the body neutralize toxins, heavy metals, such as mercury.

        Hawthorne Berry - is highly recognized herb for the heart and cardiovascular system. It has the ability to dilate (enlarge or open) the coronary arteries (the vessels that supply blood to the heart), thus improving blood and oxygen supply to the heart muscle. It also strengthens the hearts pumping ability (muscle), helping the heart to beat more forcefully and efficiently. In addition, hawthorne appears to dilate the highways of other blood vessels around the body, thereby allowing blood to circulate more freely with less strain on the heart. Another benefit of hawthorne berry is that it harbors potent antioxidant properties, which are believed to exert cholesterol lowering effects and reduce the accumulation of fatty plague in the arteries – the hallmark of atherosclerosis.

        Saw Palmetto (Serenoa repens) - is used popularly in Europe for symptoms associated with benign prostatic hypertrophy (enlargement of the prostate). Although not considered standard of care in the United States, it is the most popular herbal treatment for this condition. Saw palmetto was listed in the United States Pharmacopeia from 1906 to 1917 and in the National Formulary from 1926 to 1950. Saw palmetto extract is a licensed product in several European countries. Multiple mechanisms of action have been proposed, and saw palmetto appears to possess 5-?-reductase inhibitory activity (thereby preventing the conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone). Hormonal/estrogenic effects have also been reported, as well as direct inhibitory effects on androgen receptors and anti-inflammatory properties.

        Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) - boosts energy, enhances the immune system, and acts as an antioxidant. Clinical research suggests that using coenzyme Q10 supplements alone or in combination with other drug therapies and nutritional supplements may help prevent or treat some of the following conditions: Heart disease, High blood pressure and High cholesterol. Researchers believe that the beneficial effect of CoQ10 in the prevention and treatment of heart disease is due to its ability to improve energy production in cells, inhibit blood clot formation, and act as an antioxidant. Several clinical studies involving small numbers of people suggest that CoQ10 may lower blood pressure. Levels of CoQ10 tend to be lower in people with high cholesterol compared to healthy individuals of the same age.

        Celery Seed Extract - 3nB is the active compound that is unique to celery. 3nB was discovered as the active component of celery in response to investigations by researchers seeking to explain some of the medicinal effects of celery including the lowering of blood pressure and the relief of arthritis. High blood pressure is usually the result of too much fluid there is in your blood and how flexible or resistant your blood vessels are. Retention of sodium (salt) leads to increase fluid volume in the blood while hardening of the arteries and the hormones released during stress lead to loss of flexibility or constriction of blood flow. In treating high blood pressure, doctors usually prescribed diuretics (water pills) to reduce the fluid volume and vasodilators to relax the arteries to reduce the resistance of blood flow or beta-blockers to turn down the pumping action of the heart. 3nB appears to help lower blood pressure by both acting as a diuretic and vasodilator through impacting the production of prostaglandins as well as acting in a similar manner to drugs known as calcium-channel blockers. 3nB has also been shown to lower blood cholesterol levels and reduce the formation of arterial plaque in experimental studies. This effect may increase the elasticity of the blood vessels and also lead to lower blood pressure readings. 3nB also appears to promote some effects on areas and systems of the brain that control vascular resistance.

        Grape Seed Extract - is a natural plant substance that has a concentrated source of oligomeric proanthocyanidins (OPC). These anti-oxidants help protect cells from free radical damage and also promotes healthy circulation. Grape Seed Extract is rich in polyphenols, a compound that's high in antioxidants. Studies have shown OPC to be more powerful antioxidants than vitamin C, E, and beta-carotene. There are countless studies that demonstrates the many health benefits of grape seed extract. It has been extensively researched across the globe. In the research of Dr. Jacques Masquelier et al., the Pasteur & Huntington Institutes and 7 other leading Universities in Europe, Grape Seed Extract has been shown exceptionally effective fighting against free radicals in the body.

        Clinicial Studies on CoQ10

        Biochemical functions of Coenzyme Q10

        Source: Department of Biological Sciences, Purdue University, West Lafayette, Indiana, USA. Abstract

        Coenzyme Q is well defined as a crucial component of the oxidative phosphorylation process in mitochondria which converts the energy in carbohydrates and fatty acids into ATP to drive cellular machinery and synthesis. New roles for coenzyme Q in other cellular functions are only becoming recognized. The new aspects have developed from the recognition that coenzyme Q can undergo oxidation/reduction reactions in other cell membranes such as lysosomes. Golgi or plasma membranes. In mitochondria and lysosomes, coenzyme Q undergoes reduction/oxidation cycles during which it transfers protons across the membrane to form a proton gradient. The presence of high concentrations of quinol in all membranes provides a basis for antioxidant action either by direct reaction with radicals or by regeneration of tocopherol and ascorbate. Evidence for a function in redox control of cell signaling and gene expression is developing from studies on coenzyme Q stimulation of cell growth, inhibition of apoptosis, control of thiol groups, formation of hydrogen peroxide and control of membrane channels. Deficiency of coenzyme Q has been described based on failure of biosynthesis caused by gene mutation, inhibition of biosynthesis by HMG coA reductase inhibitors (statins) or for unknown reasons in ageing and cancer. Correction of deficiency requires supplementation with higher levels of coenzyme Q than are available in the diet.




        Coenzyme Q10 improves blood pressure and glycaemic control: a controlled trial in subjects with type 2 diabetes.

        Hodgson JM, Watts GF, Playford DA, Burke V, Croft KD.

        Source: University of Western Australia Department of Medicine and HeartSearch, Royal Perth Hospital, Perth, Western Australia, Australia.

        Abstract

        OBJECTIVE:

        Our objective was to assess effects of dietary supplementation with coenzyme Q10 (CoQ) on blood pressure and glycaemic control in subjects with type 2 diabetes, and to consider oxidative stress as a potential mechanism for any effects.

        SUBJECTS AND DESIGN:

        Seventy-four subjects with uncomplicated type 2 diabetes and dyslipidaemia were involved in a randomised double blind placebo-controlled 2x2 factorial intervention.

        SETTING:

        The study was performed at the University of Western Australia, Department of Medicine at Royal Perth Hospital, Australia.

        INTERVENTIONS:

        Subjects were randomly assigned to receive an oral dose of 100 mg CoQ twice daily (200 mg/day), 200 mg fenofibrate each morning, both or neither for 12 weeks.

        MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES:

        We report an analysis and discussion of the effects of CoQ on blood pressure, on long-term glycaemic control measured by glycated haemoglobin (HbA(1c)), and on oxidative stress assessed by measurement of plasma F2-isoprostanes.

        RESULTS:

        Fenofibrate did not alter blood pressure, HbA(1c), or plasma F2-isoprostanes. There was a 3-fold increase in plasma CoQ concentration (3.4+/-0.3 micro mol/l, P<0.001) as a result of CoQ supplementation. The main effect of CoQ was to significantly decrease systolic (-6.1+/-2.6 mmHg, P=0.021) and diastolic (-2.9+/-1.4 mmHg, P=0.048) blood pressure and HbA(1c) (-0.37+/-0.17%, P=0.032). Plasma F2-isoprostane concentrations were not altered by CoQ (0.14+/-0.15 nmol/l, P=0.345).

        CONCLUSIONS:

        These results show that CoQ supplementation may improve blood pressure and long-term glycaemic control in subjects with type 2 diabetes, but these improvements were not associated with reduced oxidative stress, as assessed by F2-isoprostanes.
        All posts are for entertainment and may contain fiction. Consult a doctor before using any medication.

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        • #5
          Halo is a super mild PH.
          Its known for delayed gyno symptoms so be certain to run a good AI from start of cycle through PCT.

          Cycle assist from IML is awesome stuff. I would not run an Oral cycle without it.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by heavyiron View Post
            I can answer any questions you have brother.

            Check out this info on Advanced Cycle Support.

            ADVANCED CYCLE SUPPORT **™

            Liver/Organ/Lipid Support Formula




            -Complete 'On Cycle' Prohormone Support
            -Protects the Liver & Major Organs
            -Improves Lipid Profiles
            -Decreases Blood Pressure
            -Prostate Support


            [VIEW LABEL]


            ADVANCED CYCLE SUPPORT **™ contains 7 key ingredients for complete 'on cycle' protection.



            Milk Thistle (Silybum marianum) - One function of the liver is to detoxify and remove toxins, including heavy metals and chemotherapy, from the body. Milk thistle is a liver protective. It is an antioxidant that helps repair damaged liver cells. Studies have shown evidence that silymarin acts almost solely on the liver and kidney. The antioxidant properties in silymarin are believed to be the protective factors. Laboratory studies demonstrate that silymarin functions as a potent antioxidant, stabilizes cellular membranes, stimulates detoxification pathways, stimulates regeneration of liver tissue, inhibits the growth of certain cancer cell lines, exerts direct cytotoxic activity toward certain cancer cell lines.

            NAC (N-Acetylcysteine) - NAC can help to prevent damage to the liver being a powerful anti-oxidant and cell detoxification co-factor, NAC works to eliminate your body of free radicals and heavy metals. N-Acetyl-Cysteine is currently the dietary supplement of choice for building up cysteine or conserving the body's store of Glutathione, Cysteine and other Sulfhydryl anti-oxidant resources. This is very crucial for the body's life functions, as NAC helps the body neutralize toxins, heavy metals, such as mercury.

            Hawthorne Berry - is highly recognized herb for the heart and cardiovascular system. It has the ability to dilate (enlarge or open) the coronary arteries (the vessels that supply blood to the heart), thus improving blood and oxygen supply to the heart muscle. It also strengthens the hearts pumping ability (muscle), helping the heart to beat more forcefully and efficiently. In addition, hawthorne appears to dilate the highways of other blood vessels around the body, thereby allowing blood to circulate more freely with less strain on the heart. Another benefit of hawthorne berry is that it harbors potent antioxidant properties, which are believed to exert cholesterol lowering effects and reduce the accumulation of fatty plague in the arteries – the hallmark of atherosclerosis.

            Saw Palmetto (Serenoa repens) - is used popularly in Europe for symptoms associated with benign prostatic hypertrophy (enlargement of the prostate). Although not considered standard of care in the United States, it is the most popular herbal treatment for this condition. Saw palmetto was listed in the United States Pharmacopeia from 1906 to 1917 and in the National Formulary from 1926 to 1950. Saw palmetto extract is a licensed product in several European countries. Multiple mechanisms of action have been proposed, and saw palmetto appears to possess 5-?-reductase inhibitory activity (thereby preventing the conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone). Hormonal/estrogenic effects have also been reported, as well as direct inhibitory effects on androgen receptors and anti-inflammatory properties.

            Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) - boosts energy, enhances the immune system, and acts as an antioxidant. Clinical research suggests that using coenzyme Q10 supplements alone or in combination with other drug therapies and nutritional supplements may help prevent or treat some of the following conditions: Heart disease, High blood pressure and High cholesterol. Researchers believe that the beneficial effect of CoQ10 in the prevention and treatment of heart disease is due to its ability to improve energy production in cells, inhibit blood clot formation, and act as an antioxidant. Several clinical studies involving small numbers of people suggest that CoQ10 may lower blood pressure. Levels of CoQ10 tend to be lower in people with high cholesterol compared to healthy individuals of the same age.

            Celery Seed Extract - 3nB is the active compound that is unique to celery. 3nB was discovered as the active component of celery in response to investigations by researchers seeking to explain some of the medicinal effects of celery including the lowering of blood pressure and the relief of arthritis. High blood pressure is usually the result of too much fluid there is in your blood and how flexible or resistant your blood vessels are. Retention of sodium (salt) leads to increase fluid volume in the blood while hardening of the arteries and the hormones released during stress lead to loss of flexibility or constriction of blood flow. In treating high blood pressure, doctors usually prescribed diuretics (water pills) to reduce the fluid volume and vasodilators to relax the arteries to reduce the resistance of blood flow or beta-blockers to turn down the pumping action of the heart. 3nB appears to help lower blood pressure by both acting as a diuretic and vasodilator through impacting the production of prostaglandins as well as acting in a similar manner to drugs known as calcium-channel blockers. 3nB has also been shown to lower blood cholesterol levels and reduce the formation of arterial plaque in experimental studies. This effect may increase the elasticity of the blood vessels and also lead to lower blood pressure readings. 3nB also appears to promote some effects on areas and systems of the brain that control vascular resistance.

            Grape Seed Extract - is a natural plant substance that has a concentrated source of oligomeric proanthocyanidins (OPC). These anti-oxidants help protect cells from free radical damage and also promotes healthy circulation. Grape Seed Extract is rich in polyphenols, a compound that's high in antioxidants. Studies have shown OPC to be more powerful antioxidants than vitamin C, E, and beta-carotene. There are countless studies that demonstrates the many health benefits of grape seed extract. It has been extensively researched across the globe. In the research of Dr. Jacques Masquelier et al., the Pasteur & Huntington Institutes and 7 other leading Universities in Europe, Grape Seed Extract has been shown exceptionally effective fighting against free radicals in the body.

            Clinicial Studies on CoQ10

            Biochemical functions of Coenzyme Q10

            Source: Department of Biological Sciences, Purdue University, West Lafayette, Indiana, USA. Abstract

            Coenzyme Q is well defined as a crucial component of the oxidative phosphorylation process in mitochondria which converts the energy in carbohydrates and fatty acids into ATP to drive cellular machinery and synthesis. New roles for coenzyme Q in other cellular functions are only becoming recognized. The new aspects have developed from the recognition that coenzyme Q can undergo oxidation/reduction reactions in other cell membranes such as lysosomes. Golgi or plasma membranes. In mitochondria and lysosomes, coenzyme Q undergoes reduction/oxidation cycles during which it transfers protons across the membrane to form a proton gradient. The presence of high concentrations of quinol in all membranes provides a basis for antioxidant action either by direct reaction with radicals or by regeneration of tocopherol and ascorbate. Evidence for a function in redox control of cell signaling and gene expression is developing from studies on coenzyme Q stimulation of cell growth, inhibition of apoptosis, control of thiol groups, formation of hydrogen peroxide and control of membrane channels. Deficiency of coenzyme Q has been described based on failure of biosynthesis caused by gene mutation, inhibition of biosynthesis by HMG coA reductase inhibitors (statins) or for unknown reasons in ageing and cancer. Correction of deficiency requires supplementation with higher levels of coenzyme Q than are available in the diet.




            Coenzyme Q10 improves blood pressure and glycaemic control: a controlled trial in subjects with type 2 diabetes.

            Hodgson JM, Watts GF, Playford DA, Burke V, Croft KD.

            Source: University of Western Australia Department of Medicine and HeartSearch, Royal Perth Hospital, Perth, Western Australia, Australia.

            Abstract

            OBJECTIVE:

            Our objective was to assess effects of dietary supplementation with coenzyme Q10 (CoQ) on blood pressure and glycaemic control in subjects with type 2 diabetes, and to consider oxidative stress as a potential mechanism for any effects.

            SUBJECTS AND DESIGN:

            Seventy-four subjects with uncomplicated type 2 diabetes and dyslipidaemia were involved in a randomised double blind placebo-controlled 2x2 factorial intervention.

            SETTING:

            The study was performed at the University of Western Australia, Department of Medicine at Royal Perth Hospital, Australia.

            INTERVENTIONS:

            Subjects were randomly assigned to receive an oral dose of 100 mg CoQ twice daily (200 mg/day), 200 mg fenofibrate each morning, both or neither for 12 weeks.

            MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES:

            We report an analysis and discussion of the effects of CoQ on blood pressure, on long-term glycaemic control measured by glycated haemoglobin (HbA(1c)), and on oxidative stress assessed by measurement of plasma F2-isoprostanes.

            RESULTS:

            Fenofibrate did not alter blood pressure, HbA(1c), or plasma F2-isoprostanes. There was a 3-fold increase in plasma CoQ concentration (3.4+/-0.3 micro mol/l, P<0.001) as a result of CoQ supplementation. The main effect of CoQ was to significantly decrease systolic (-6.1+/-2.6 mmHg, P=0.021) and diastolic (-2.9+/-1.4 mmHg, P=0.048) blood pressure and HbA(1c) (-0.37+/-0.17%, P=0.032). Plasma F2-isoprostane concentrations were not altered by CoQ (0.14+/-0.15 nmol/l, P=0.345).

            CONCLUSIONS:

            These results show that CoQ supplementation may improve blood pressure and long-term glycaemic control in subjects with type 2 diabetes, but these improvements were not associated with reduced oxidative stress, as assessed by F2-isoprostanes.
            thanks! this is definitely going in my stack. 1.what do you think is the best to take for anti-aromatize? like a-dex, nolva, an AI? 2. if i do everything correctly how much of the muscle gains from the cycle will i keep? 3. on the iron mag labs site if your viewing a ph and you scroll down it tells you basically tells you how much to take and how long to cycle can it vary (take more/ less)? 4. when i decide to start the cycle i'm going with the halodrol like you said; when iron mag labs restocks on halo extreme i'm gonna stack them together is that ok? 5. and if it is ok to stack them how long would i run them together 6. and do i jump off one before the other? thank you very much for you help!

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            • #7
              An AI is only needed with aromatizing compounds like Testosterone so you likely won't need one if you are just taking Halo Ex. I would keep Nolvadex on hand in case gyno presents.

              Gains are highly dependent on training and nutrition.

              I like Halo Ex at 3 caps daily for 4-6 weeks. You need to take some time off before running another PH brother.
              All posts are for entertainment and may contain fiction. Consult a doctor before using any medication.

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              • #8
                i'm going with the halodrol and i wanna stack it with halo extreme. do you think it's ok to stack them together? if it is ok to stack them how long would i run them together (a month, two months)? i think you misunderstood my muscle gains question. i'v heard you may only keep about 60% of your muscle gains from your cycle so is that bullshit or do you keep more or less do you think?
                Last edited by Ajthemeso; November 30th, 2012, 02:43 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ajthemeso View Post
                  i'm going with the halodrol and i wanna stack it with halo extreme. do you think it's ok to stack them together? if it is ok to stack them how long would i run them together (a month, two months)? how do you mean gains are highly dependent on training and nutrition?
                  Halo Extreme is Halodrol brother. Just run the Halo EX at 3 caps daily for 4-6 weeks.

                  Nutrition and training drive LBM gains not the steroid. Eat big and train hard!
                  All posts are for entertainment and may contain fiction. Consult a doctor before using any medication.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by heavyiron View Post
                    Halo Extreme is Halodrol brother. Just run the Halo EX at 3 caps daily for 4-6 weeks.

                    Nutrition and training drive LBM gains not the steroid. Eat big and train hard!
                    oh ok. i don't feel slow lol. thank you very much for your help man; it's much appreciated!

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                    • #11
                      Look up prohormone forums. They are another wealth of knowledge. Look up their "my first h-drol cycle" thread. You'll learn a LOT!!!
                      Seek Him and know Him. Jeremiah 29:13-14

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                      • #12
                        So with proper liver support is the PCT from IML enough for SDMZ 2.0? And should I start pct immediately after the cycle or wait a few days?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Willy45 View Post
                          So with proper liver support is the PCT from IML enough for SDMZ 2.0? And should I start pct immediately after the cycle or wait a few days?
                          i would get some clomid and/or nolva. definitely not just iml pct.
                          "I like them more around the age of 10 or so that way I can think of your physique because I'm so hopelessly in love with your body" - killinweights

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                          • #14
                            Man I have run Halo Extreme a good many times, it is my favorite. Not too mild, not too harsh.. You can do as heavy said and run 3 caps daily for 6 weeks with advanced cycle support throughout with no worries. Drink plenty of water and eat big and clean and you will see great gains especially if it is your first time using it! I gained about 15 lbs my first run with it and kept around 10 after pct.
                            As brundel said earlier, you can run an ai through cycle all the way through your pct and you should be good and have nothing to worry about. I ran formeron from blacklion closer to pct and throughout and it kept my libido good and strong and did not suffer one bit after pct. Hope this may help. Have a good pct set up, clomid or nolvadex will definitely help
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