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  • #46
    Originally posted by Edna Krabappel View Post
    Good thread. A 30 pound gain is possible but it wouldn't all be muscle. Even with a myostatin deficiency that isn't possible.

    Sure it is bro. Many guys, including myself, have put on 30 lb's or more in either their first year of training or their first year of AAS use.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Lollipop
      EDNA. That's a ladies name. And it is not possible for ANY woman to put on 30 pounds of muscle. Sadie claims she is female.

      I would still disagree with that. Under normal circumstances, it is highly unlikely, but under other circumstances, it is possible.

      A woman who is 10-15 lb's underweight and just starts using AAS while upping cals quite a bit could put on 30 lb's of muscle in a year, particuallry if she has good genetics.

      For a woman who has been training for a while or is already using AAS, it probably won't happen.

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      • #48
        This thread contains some very valuable info. Please keep it on track ladies.
        Sis I found this at another site and wonder what is ur take on it. Especially the bolded underline statements on Test.


        WHO SHOULD DO INJECTABLES
        Ladies that have tried at least one mild oral steroid and now wish to add more mass to their bodies.

        RISKS
        The chances of contracting side effect, and potential virilization, are higher with injectables than with anavar. Anavar is the mildest steroid for ladies without a doubt...too bad it is not in an injectable form.

        Most common sides seen with the ladies are as follows and in no particular order. Some negatives can also be positives as you will note below

        NEGATIVE SIDES
        Ance, oily skin, clitoral enlargement beyond minimal, aggression, hair loss..male style, hair growth especially on upper lip and chin, hair loss, darkened hair growth, quickened hair growth on legs and arms, lowering of voice tone, distruption of normal menstral cycle, aggression.

        MOST COMMON NEGATIVE SIDES
        Oily skin, some hair growth, a little acne, some alteration in normal menstral cycle, minimal voice tone lowering, darkening body hair

        PRECURSER TO VOICE LOWERING
        If you get a squeaky voice, hoarse throat or voice, scratchy thoat, raspy throat or voice, a cough, or any ache in the throat then stop the steroid immediately as these are common warning signs of voice alterations

        PERMANENT NEGATIVE SIDES
        Voice lowering may improve immediately after a cycle A LITTLE but will NEVER return to normal. Some girls are affected minimally and still sound like a women and others end up sounding like a man if they continue with the steroid. Clit growth remains...androgenic swelling goes away but the GROWTH remains. Some long time and heavy users have grown a little penis(TRUE!

        POSITIVE SIDES
        Feelings of well being, increased energy, decreased recovery time, aggression, heightened sex drive with small amount of clit enlargement, Muscle gain, strength gain, some reports of decreases in estrogenic fat ie"upper legs, butt, upper arms, abdomen.

        PERMANENT POSITIVE SIDES
        Mass and strength will largely remain IF you train and eat properly post cycle. Better sex, due to clit growth, but sex DRIVE returns to normal except for the possible increase in sex drive as a result of heightened enjoyment.

        NOTE:
        Ladies normally do not see an alteration in total serum cholesterol and hdl levels due to the fact that minimal doses are used. This is a big deal as this is the worst side in men IMO.
        Hair loss, if any, is very minimal due to small doses.
        Your voice will surely lower, in time, and sooner than later, if you go above 50mg of ANY injectable per week. It may even lower on 50mg/week or less in 4-6weeks but it is not that common.

        INJECTABLE CHOICE
        Pure anabolics vs androgenic anabolics.

        IMO there are only two injectables that are nearly pure anabolics and they are nandrolone and primobolin. They are somewhat androgenic but one could classify them as anabolics.
        The more androgenic the hormone the greater are your chances for sides including virilization, but the greater your chances are for great muscle growth. The most androgenic hormones are Test and Tren and then perhaps winny, although some would disagree with me on the winny.


        PRIMO
        Used by many ladies as it, along with nandrolone, is probably the least androgenic roid. CAREFUL....primo is in the long acting ester enenthate and it clears slowly. Many ladies have experienced very bad sides from this roid due to the fact that they take too much per week (above 50-75mg). INJECTABLE primo is not our drug of choice because it is long acting and if sides come on that you don't like then you have to ride them out until the roid clears your system and by the time it does permamnent sides may have set in. Daeo's wife had a bad experience with primo.
        If you start low you shouldn't have too much trouble, if any, IMO as it is quite mild androgenically. Just remember though that it will not give quick muscle gains at all. The gains seen are usually quality muscle built at a slow steady rate. If more and quicker gains are needed then I would recommend Nandrolone.

        WARNING. Primobolin is faked all the time so you better know your source VERY well or you may get test cyp or another cheaper compound! All 50mg ampules are safe as none have yet to be duplicated . Greek primo is safe. They are in a clear glass ampule and printed with green lettering and are 100mg/ml. Be sure to look for the Greek ID sticker on its box just in case. Turkish Primo is safe as well.

        Schering has recently altered the look of their Spanish 100mg amps. They now have clear glass with a paper label and three rings on the amp tip, one is yellow and two red. Fakes have a larger than normal blue dot on the amp head.....get help from from someone that has used Primo before for identification purposes.

        Nandrolone Phenylpropionate
        Realgains #1 choice for the serious liften female!
        Bill Llewellyn's first choice for ladies as he feels it is the injectable with the least androgenic affects, and that includes Primo. Vikingwife did 20mg every three days with no sides except increased sex drive. There is at least one other women on the board that loves nandrolone very much. Will give better muscle gains than primo.

        Durabolin is an excellent choice. Hayrian Biologicals makes a high quality Nandrolone phenylprop that is cheaper than durabolin and come in 100mg/ml 2ml vials. Nandrolone Decanate is not recommended as a first time choice as it is a very long acting ester.

        Personally Realgains thinks that this roid in the Phenylprop ester would give the best gains to least sides ratio. It is superior to primo due to its short acting nature and its better muscle building properties.

        Nandrolone is the easiest at the scalp and causes the least hair loss of all steroids so if female thinning runs in your family then perhaps this roid is best for you.

        Personally Realgains thinks that this roid would soon become more popular than Primo if it was more readily available. Availability is picking up however!

        Boldenone undecylenate (EQ)
        About as potent as nandrolone but is not recommended for a first time cycle as it is in a long acting ester. Ttokkyo labs produce a good cheap product.

        May be slightly more androgenic than nandrolone but will give no better gains than nandrolone.


        Winstol
        As wilth men the ladies either love winny or hate it. I can't explain this but it is true.We do not like winny although many ladies do. Winny is less androgenic than test but more than Primo and probably nandrolone too.

        I have heard too many negative reports on the harshness of winny especially as it relates to lowering the voice. This could be dose related as winny is not as androgenic as test....yet females may respond differently. Use the winny with small particle size so you can inject with a 27guage pin. Do no more than 70mg per week and less is best. The best Winny IMO are made by Zambon ES,I 1ml amps. Another good source and cheaper is made by Ttokkyo labs. These are the only ones that you can both trust and that also have small enough crystals that will inject through a 27 guage pin. Do not trust any other European or American product as they are highly faked.

        Testosterone
        Not a foreign compound to the female body. Small amounts are produced in the ovaries and adrenal glands. Not overly androgenic IN SMALL DOSES, although it is more androgenic than any roid listed(Tren may be just as bad or worse) Test gives the best muscle and strength gains. Gives sence of well being and energy more so than the others, increases sex drive more so than the others.


        Many many ladies love to use low dose test. Daeo's wife has had good experiences with test and he has written much about this on the forum. Warlobo's wife also liked test as have others.
        Testosterone Propionate is recommended for two reasons. Firstly it has a short half life so it will clear your system quickly after you stop should sides come on that do not agree with you. Secondly it is not as highly faked as test Cypionate or enanthate.
        Brovel makes a pretty decent product at 100mg/ml.
        This is a favorite of Quadsweep "The Voice of Reason"

        Virormone by Ferring is probably the best available however.
        I doubt that there is a pro, or near pro, that doesn't use test a fair bit. Very cheap for a female cycle, especially if you switch to test cyp in the 10cc vails, after you find the dose of test that you can tolerate.

        Trenbolone acetate.
        Some ladies do use this very powerful roid but we DO NOT recommend it. Tren is more powerful per mg than any other steroid and as such accurate tiny does are hard to measure. It is at least as androgenic as test and maybe more so IMO.
        If you do use it then use VERY little and never more than 25mg per week.

        ESTERS AND DOSE SCHEDULES.
        An ester is a compound made up of hydrogen and carbon atoms. They are added to pure steroids or testosterone in order to slow the release of the active agent. Some esters have a short chain of hydrogen and carbon and others have longer chains. The longer the chain the longer the time release of the steroid.
        Prop is a short ester and Decanate is a long chain ester.
        NOTE: 50mg of nandrolne in a phenylprop ester has more actual steroid than 50mg of nandrolone in the decanate ester as some of the 50mg weight is taken up by the longer ester. THE DIFFERENCE IS MINIMAL! Never let anyone tell you that one type of steroid is more powerful than another type of the same steroid. These are myths . There is a myth that test Cyp is more powerful than test enanthate and this is a myth. In actuality the enanthate ester has one less carbon atom and 50 mg of the test will have a tiny amount more test than 50mg of cyp.

        HOW TO DOSE.

        Most conservative.....Inject 50 mg of steroid or testosterone once and then let it completely clear the system. ie: Test prop 50mg then wait a week before doing another injection. OR...Test Cyp 50mg and then wait for two weeks before injecting again. This system will give you some results and is very safe in regard to sides.


        The next method is recommended by Bill Llewellyn and others. In this system one injects a dose and then lets it partially clear the system. It is thought that this clearance will not allow androgens to build up over time which of course can cause sides and virilization. This sytem will give better results and liitle sides. Examples are 25- 50mg test prop every 5-7 days or 50mg of test cyp every 10 days. This system is favored by huckleberryFinaplix and Realgains.

        The last system will give best results. This system is favored by many and requires injecting AT LEAST as frequently as a male.
        In this system you try to inject at least twice per half life. This keeps hormone spikes to a minimum. These more even blood levels result in better gains. There is also some evidence to suggest that spiking hormone levels cause more sides.
        Here is an example of this system...Test prop 15mg every second day or 20 mg every third day. Also test cyp 20-25 mg twice per week or every forth day at most. I believe Warlobo and Daeo favor this system. If you are a top level competitor then this is the system for you.

        DURATION

        Simply put the longer you are "on" the greater are your chances for virilization. An 8 week cycle is a good start. latter cycles can be longer once you get a feel for the hormone. A long low dose cycle of 12 weeks or more can be great.

        DOSE PER 7 DAYS!!

        Testosterone 25-50mg
        Primo 50-75mg
        Winny 50-70 mg 7-10mg per day INJECT DAILY for best results
        Nandrolone 25-60mg
        EQ 25-60mg
        These doses will give you great gains with little chance of serious sides. If you are top level competitor then obviously these doses are quite moderate. I would not recommend any women go much above these doses unless they are darn serious about being competitive!

        PINS
        You must use an insulin syringe in order to get an accurate dose.
        You can use a 27 gauge hypo to inject since you will be injecting very little and the insulin syringe, being tiny, gives great injection power. With a 27 pin you won't feel a thing. Remember to rotate injection sites...upper outer glute/hip and outer thigh.

        STACKING

        We do not recommend that you use more than one hormone at a time unless your are a top competitor. If you do stack your voice will almost certainly lower and other sides will be worse.
        If you MUST stack than we would recommend using a small dose of anavar with the injectable at perhaps 10mg per day, 5mg in the am and 5 mg in the pm.

        Diet
        While trying to increase mass while on injectables you must increase your protein intake to about 2 grams per pound of body weight. If you do not do this then your gains will be likely be less . I recommend a good low fat whey protein shake betwee three regular meals. Some people seem to get great gains with less but it is safer to go higher. Caloric intake also needs to go and the increased protein intake will help.
        You can get good strength gains ,and some muscle gain, while on anavar, and not eat that much in the way of protein or calories, but this is not the case when trying to build some serious muscle.

        LAST NOTE

        If you are a naturally muscular mesomorphic female that needs to shave her legs frequently then you may wish to stick to the mild orals such as primo and anavar as you will be more prone to sides. Sometimes the slightly built that are hairless to nearly hairless can get away with more steroid use without much in the way of sides if doses are kept reasonable.

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        • #49
          [QUOTE]
          Originally posted by lil mama View Post
          This thread contains some very valuable info. Please keep it on track ladies.
          Sis I found this at another site and wonder what is ur take on it. Especially the bolded underline statements on Test.
          Hopefully lil mama, Sadie is done with her meltdown and we can carry on.

          WHO SHOULD DO INJECTABLES
          Ladies that have tried at least one mild oral steroid and now wish to add more mass to their bodies.
          False. Injectables do not necessarily have a higher anabolic or androgenic component than orals do. Oral steroids tend to have the greatest number of side effects because they have to pass through the digestive system and the liver in order to get into the bloodstream when ingested. They are designed to survive the digestive process. That is the reason so much more of an oral is required to ensure that it yields any benefit at all after it is broken down by the liver. That is why orals are very strenuous on the liver and the risk of hepatotoxicity is higher. Now Injectables are either water or oil based. Generally, oil based steroids have a longer halflife than water based steroids which are usually esterless. Because they are not designed to pass through the digestive system, injectable steroids tend to have a much less stressful effect on the liver.
          RISKS
          The chances of contracting side effect, and potential virilization, are higher with injectables than with anavar. Anavar is the mildest steroid for ladies without a doubt...too bad it is not in an injectable form.
          False. Virilization and side effects have nothing to do with the route of administration of the steroid.

          PERMANENT POSITIVE SIDES
          Mass and strength will largely remain IF you train and eat properly post cycle. Better sex, due to clit growth, but sex DRIVE returns to normal except for the possible increase in sex drive as a result of heightened enjoyment.
          Hardly. Most of the strength and size will be hard for a woman to keep.
          Your voice will surely lower, in time, and sooner than later, if you go above 50mg of ANY injectable per week. It may even lower on 50mg/week or less in 4-6weeks but it is not that common.
          That is not an accurate statement at all.

          Testosterone
          Not a foreign compound to the female body. Small amounts are produced in the ovaries and adrenal glands. Not overly androgenic IN SMALL DOSES, although it is more androgenic than any roid listed(Tren may be just as bad or worse) Test gives the best muscle and strength gains. Gives sence of well being and energy more so than the others, increases sex drive more so than the others.


          Many many ladies love to use low dose test. Daeo's wife has had good experiences with test and he has written much about this on the forum. Warlobo's wife also liked test as have others.
          Testosterone Propionate is recommended for two reasons. Firstly it has a short half life so it will clear your system quickly after you stop should sides come on that do not agree with you. Secondly it is not as highly faked as test Cypionate or enanthate.
          Brovel makes a pretty decent product at 100mg/ml.
          Not sure what the question is here lil mama. This information is fairly accurate. The claims of test doing wonders for strength grains is questionable though.
          Death by Snoo Snoo!

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          • #50
            Not sure what the question is here lil mama. This information is fairly accurate. The claims of test doing wonders for strength grains is questionable though.[/quote]

            Ooops sorry Sis, I meant to ask if this is correct as far as dosage in test is concerned, see umm I MEAN see what he wrote about...on "HOW TO DOSE"....seems to me that what he recommends or states is that a female can get away with 50mgs with some results and is very safe in regard to sides, But again he gives 3 different methods to dosing. What say you Sis hogwash or truth too this dosage method.


            HOW TO DOSE.

            Most conservative.....Inject 50 mg of steroid or testosterone once and then let it completely clear the system. ie: Test prop 50mg then wait a week before doing another injection. OR...Test Cyp 50mg and then wait for two weeks before injecting again. This system will give you some results and is very safe in regard to sides.

            The next method is recommended by Bill Llewellyn and others. In this system one injects a dose and then lets it partially clear the system. It is thought that this clearance will not allow androgens to build up over time which of course can cause sides and virilization. This sytem will give better results and liitle sides. Examples are 25- 50mg test prop every 5-7 days or 50mg of test cyp every 10 days. This system is favored by huckleberryFinaplix and Realgains.

            The last system will give best results. This system is favored by many and requires injecting AT LEAST as frequently as a male.
            In this system you try to inject at least twice per half life. This keeps hormone spikes to a minimum. These more even blood levels result in better gains. There is also some evidence to suggest that spiking hormone levels cause more sides.
            Here is an example of this system...Test prop 15mg every second day or 20 mg every third day. Also test cyp 20-25 mg twice per week or every forth day at most. I believe Warlobo and Daeo favor this system. If you are a top level competitor then this is the system for you.

            DURATION

            Simply put the longer you are "on" the greater are your chances for virilization. An 8 week cycle is a good start. latter cycles can be longer once you get a feel for the hormone. A long low dose cycle of 12 weeks or more can be great.

            DOSE PER 7 DAYS!!

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            • #51
              Hi guys.

              Hey, I just wanted to let everyone know that I am going to be deleting some posts, as this thread really has gotten way off track.

              Again, I am not accusing anyone of doing anything wrong, just letting everyone know that I am going to be deleting EVERY post, including my own, that are not directly related to this thread or in posts where anything less than complimentary words were used. Again, this is not being done to disrespect anyone or their posts, just to get this back on track. I hope you guys know me well enough to know that my motives are good and not to piss anyone off.

              The main reason for this and I am sure you guys will agree, is so that if anyone does happen to come here and see this thread (a new lady trying to learn something or post a question) she may feel uncomfortable or simply leave alltogether. In addition, I don't think any of us would want anyone new to have to search through all of our unrelated posts to get an answer.

              Thanks guys, but we really do have to treat this forum a little bit different. I personally don't care when most of this shit goes on in the open chem-E section because we all know the drill, but I think it's a good idea to keep any "pit talk" out of the female AAS forum. It can be much different for women posting about their AAS use than men and even small things could potentailly have them going elsewhere. I am not inferring women can't deal with this stuff, but rather, that women have it a lot harder than we men do when using AAS, so both the men and women need to be cognizant of that fact when we post here.

              Alright guys?
              Last edited by Mike Arnold; April 7th, 2010, 01:50 AM.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by lil mama View Post
                Not sure what the question is here lil mama. This information is fairly accurate. The claims of test doing wonders for strength grains is questionable though.
                Ooops sorry Sis, I meant to ask if this is correct as far as dosage in test is concerned, see umm I MEAN see what he wrote about...on "HOW TO DOSE"....seems to me that what he recommends or states is that a female can get away with 50mgs with some results and is very safe in regard to sides, But again he gives 3 different methods to dosing. What say you Sis hogwash or truth too this dosage method.
                Lil mama, it has been observed that the more steady the concentration of the drug in the blood stream, ie: less spikes, the easier it is to keep side effects at bay. So the more frequent the injections the less likely a woman is to run into problems in the long run. See the body is constantly trying to get back into a homeostatic state and these hormonal fluctuations that result from a single dose administration of a short ester compound will make it impossible for your system to do just that. 50mg/week is a lot of prop and believe me a woman will suffer the very same sides had she dosed that amount once or every other day. The difference is she will not reap a fraction of its benefits. That would negate having to run it at all. The more severe the spike the more pronounced the sides. The poster's "conservative" dosing protocols encourage women to use ungodly amounts of the drug. If 50mg of test is deemed a "conservative" dose, then It would be safe to assume that double that amount would be typical for a veteran user. A single 100mg shot of test is enough to throw a woman's hormonal balance off for months. You can only imagine the repercussions of doing so on a continuous basis.

                The second method described involves partially clearing the system from the drug between shots. Well if that were the case, then shots must be administered every 3rd day and not every 5-7 days considering it takes 6 days for the drug to be out of your system completely. Test cyp has an active half life of 12 days so taking a shot every 10 days is not too shabby.

                "This system is favored by huckleberryFinaplix and Realgains", both whom are men. A woman's expertise would be refreshing for a change.

                The last system will give best results. This system is favored by many and requires injecting AT LEAST as frequently as a male.
                In this system you try to inject at least twice per half life. This keeps hormone spikes to a minimum. These more even blood levels result in better gains. There is also some evidence to suggest that spiking hormone levels cause more sides.
                Bingo.

                Here is an example of this system...Test prop 15mg every second day or 20 mg every third day. Also test cyp 20-25 mg twice per week or every forth day at most. I believe Warlobo and Daeo favor this system. If you are a top level competitor then this is the system for you.
                I have no idea who Walobo or Daeo are, but in this particular situation, the dosing is fairly accurate. However, Prop usually comes in 100mg/ml vials, So 10mg eod is more reasonable and far easier to dose.
                DURATION

                Simply put the longer you are "on" the greater are your chances for virilization. An 8 week cycle is a good start. latter cycles can be longer once you get a feel for the hormone. A long low dose cycle of 12 weeks or more can be great.

                DOSE PER 7 DAYS!!
                [/QUOTE]

                8 week cycles are good for short esters. However, long esters like cyp or enth will require longer cycles. The ester should be the determining factor in the length of the cycle. Many run short esters for extended periods of time but that will require very frequent injections and constant site rotation to avoid scar tissue build up.
                Death by Snoo Snoo!

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                • #53
                  I dno't recall this particular post, but the post LilMama copied is from EliteFitness & it probably dates back to the early 2000s. WarLobo was the moderator on the women's board and was pretty active & tied into working w/ women who cycled. The info is probably what you'd call "old school" but not overly aggressive.

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                  • #54
                    lol I got it from isteriods.com, cause I got to thinking about the amount of test a poster had posted in an earlier post and went looking around the net to see what other females have or are taking and what others had to say and found this post interesting, so I wanted to know Sister's take on it.


                    Originally posted by Sassy69 View Post
                    I dno't recall this particular post, but the post LilMama copied is from EliteFitness & it probably dates back to the early 2000s. WarLobo was the moderator on the women's board and was pretty active & tied into working w/ women who cycled. The info is probably what you'd call "old school" but not overly aggressive.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by lil mama View Post
                      lol I got it from isteriods.com, cause I got to thinking about the amount of test a poster had posted in an earlier post and went looking around the net to see what other females have or are taking and what others had to say and found this post interesting, so I wanted to know Sister's take on it.
                      OK -- I'm just saying based on the names mentioned, these guys were regulars on EliteFitness up until around 2002-2003, to give the timeframe of this information some context.

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                      • #56
                        Equipoise. One of my favorites. A veterinary drug with a very favorable anabolic/androgenic ratio where the female user is concerned. It increases protein synthesis by positively influencing the body's nitrogen balance, which is why gains are usually solid, gradual and very much maintainable post cycle. It also has very little conversion to estrogen, so water retention is minimal and side effects are mild with severity being dose dependent. Higher dosages can get risky considering it promotes erythropoiesis which increases the production of red blood cells. This could result in blood clots, strokes and elevated blood pressure. On the other hand, the increase in RBC count offers tremendous respiratory and cardiovascular benefits to endurance athletes by improving energy and promoting the flow of oxygen in the blood.

                        Let me add that it is mainly the androgenic component of any drug, or the cumulative androgenic effects of stacked compounds that determines the severity of side effects experienced. It is my opinion that drugs considerably more anabolic than androgenic serve more benefit to the athlete concerned with performance enhancement versus aesthetics. Androgynous compounds result in more dramatic physique changes. The stronger the androgen, the more pronounced the change. So it is my opinion that Equipoise is not the best steroid for any noticeable physique enhancement due to its very mild androgenic characteristics. However, it does wonders for recovery, vascuarity, strengthening of the tendons, as well as improved cardio which are all factors that make it attractive to bodybuilders.

                        Conservative dosage is 50mg/week.
                        Intermediate is 100-150mg/week.
                        Advanced users have run it anywhere between 150-300mg/week.
                        Considering the long undecylenate ester attached to the parent steroid, a single shot a week is quite sufficient. I would add a single baby aspirin/day to Boldenone cycles exceeding 100mg/week. Typical cycle length is 16 weeks given the half life of the compound. In addition to the standard list of side effects associated with female drug use, EQ can cause a noticeable increase in appetite, a fever and severe acne at higher dosages.

                        That's the 411 on EQ. You're welcome.

                        SS
                        Death by Snoo Snoo!

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                        • #57
                          Actually there was an oral EQ produced for a very short amount of time back in the day now that I think of it, that resulted in dangerously high fever as well.....Just stick to a 16 week cycle, with a single 100mg injection/week. Very suitable protocol for any woman, any age, regardless of stats or drug experience.
                          Death by Snoo Snoo!

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                          • #58
                            Question for Sister Steel or Sassy 69

                            I posted this in Sassy69's forum but noticed it hasn't been active for a month or so. Then I came across this forum so please forgive my double post.

                            I wanted to say thank you for being gracious enough to field all of these questions and giving women the tools to make educated decisions about using AAS. I've read most of this thread (alot to take in) and threads on other forums about AAS usage for females.

                            With that being said I need some guidance. I'm a 38 year old national level bodybuilding competitor who has done well both times I've done Nationals (top 3 at USA's). I have used Halodrol and run 2 cycles of Clen but never taken the step to AAS. I am getting ready to get back on the competition circuit after having my last baby and would really like to step to the next level in competition. I have the foundation in my knowledge and physique. My diet is spot on during my off season and comp season, I'm currently 5'2 135lbs @ 11%. I've been competing for 7 years now and feel that my body is at it's max potential at this point. I thought of running Var for the first cycle but I have read that although sides are minimal gains are as well. I would really like to utilize Primo (well aware of the sides) and thought just using that alone would be the smartest approach in case there are any negative reactions. If you thought that Var would give me good solid gains then I'll start with that. With that being said, I'm also wondering how to bridge between 2 shows. My qualifier is 14 weeks out from the national show I want to do. Should I run the Var or Primo right before and possibly during getting ready for my qualifier stopping with enough time to be able to take 12 weeks off so that I can cycle again for the national show? If I stop the Primo 6 weeks out from my qualifier should I utilize something else to stay tight and not lose gains? Your wisdom is greatly appreciated and thanks again for your time.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by MR&MSB View Post
                              I posted this in Sassy69's forum but noticed it hasn't been active for a month or so. Then I came across this forum so please forgive my double post.

                              I wanted to say thank you for being gracious enough to field all of these questions and giving women the tools to make educated decisions about using AAS. I've read most of this thread (alot to take in) and threads on other forums about AAS usage for females.

                              With that being said I need some guidance. I'm a 38 year old national level bodybuilding competitor who has done well both times I've done Nationals (top 3 at USA's). I have used Halodrol and run 2 cycles of Clen but never taken the step to AAS. I am getting ready to get back on the competition circuit after having my last baby and would really like to step to the next level in competition. I have the foundation in my knowledge and physique. My diet is spot on during my off season and comp season, I'm currently 5'2 135lbs @ 11%. I've been competing for 7 years now and feel that my body is at it's max potential at this point. I thought of running Var for the first cycle but I have read that although sides are minimal gains are as well. I would really like to utilize Primo (well aware of the sides) and thought just using that alone would be the smartest approach in case there are any negative reactions. If you thought that Var would give me good solid gains then I'll start with that. With that being said, I'm also wondering how to bridge between 2 shows. My qualifier is 14 weeks out from the national show I want to do. Should I run the Var or Primo right before and possibly during getting ready for my qualifier stopping with enough time to be able to take 12 weeks off so that I can cycle again for the national show? If I stop the Primo 6 weeks out from my qualifier should I utilize something else to stay tight and not lose gains? Your wisdom is greatly appreciated and thanks again for your time.
                              Would you mind starting a thread with this post so that we keep this one on track? I think it would be great to give this post individual attention. To place twice at the USA's with very little chemical assistance, and still be capable of having a healthy pregnancy is an interesting subject that I think puts things in perspective for anyone planning on competing, and misled into believing that heavy drug use is the sole key to success.
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