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  • #31
    Ken was ma fav - great physique.
    Don't care for his fighting - the fact that he pushed Gracie was cool.
    Also Kimo punished Gracie - great.
    I riff em all on phat' bottom string - making it clear who's the real Kerry-King


    • #32
      Originally posted by L'italiano Reale View Post
      Calling Shamrock a joke then saying you " I never said he didn't deserve to be in the hall of fame" makes no sense. Why would a joke /hack belong in the HoF? Being either of those two would set the bar awfully low and diminish the achievements those fighters are and will be in the HoF.

      How does Couture's record look for you? Good enough?

      I am not looking for an "argument" just stating that anyone who claims Ken Shamrock is a "hack" and now a "joke" is misguided. Too many people are willing to trash the men before us without regard to their contribution to MMA that paved the way for fighters to have a career and some money.

      Shamrock helped pave the way for all MMA fighters and is neither a "hack" or "joke", but someone (there are more) I thank for helping MMA get to where it is today.

      Ken's fighting skill was superior to others in the early and late 90's and his fight with Gracie was boring because Gracie, not Shamrock.

      Records are just that, records. I think Randy and Ken are great examples of why you can't look only at someone's record to make the determination of how great a fighter was or wasn't.

      I won't change your opinion, just state mine.
      I can call Ken a joke and still say he belongs in the hall of fame, it's quite easy. He belongs there because of his help popularizing the sport in the earliest days. He was a bankable face, and was instrumental in it's early success. I have no reason to deny Ken his rightful place alongside the other people in the HoF. The pre-Zuffa UFC wouldn't be what it was without Ken at the beginning.

      I'm talking ONLY about his fight record when I call him a joke. And even then it's only in comparison to his celebrity.

      My only gripe with Ken is that his record is basically a mashup of nobodies in non-mma events. his actual MMA history is fucking terrible, save for a couple of high profile wins.

      Randy and Ken do not compare. It's an entirely different league. Ken wouldn't last 5 minutes in the ring with Liddell, he didn't with Tito, could never stand with Sylvia. Randy's record is indeed quite tarnished, but the stand out fights of his are wins against the best fighters in the world. Ken has never won against a geniune top-tier fighter, save for Severn.


      • #33
        Couture and Shamrock is apples and oranges I agree.

        Cpt America has 18 UFC fights, 16 are "title fights"(I included the UFC 13 Tourney) can Shamrock say that?


        • #34
          i think he was a great embassator of the sport.. randy imo not setting a good example for his suing bullshit.. jsut to make a comparison.. however this is only a tribute thread to a MMA Fighter who imo deserves respect and like u said leave1, carried UFC on his back for numerous years... who can say that? Randy? Tito?
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          • #35
            Last edited by ATBFO; March 7th, 2008, 08:29 PM.
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            • #36

              "Inside MMA" Video: Should Ken Shamrock Retire?

              by Staff [mmajunkie-staff] on Mar 19, 2008 at 11:35 am in - News -
              This week's "Inside MMA on" video segment focuses on Ken Shamrock's recent Cage Rage loss and whether or not the aging MMA icon should call it quits.

              Hosts Kenny Rice and Bas Rutten -- along with panelists Quinton Jackson, Cung Le and radio host Scott Casber -- watch Shamrock's latest fight and discuss a possible retirement.

              The show originally aired this past Friday, March 14, on HDNet, the home of "Inside MMA" and the "HDNet Fights" fight brand.

              Shamrock, an early UFC pioneer and arguably the sport's biggest star during his heyday, most recently suffered a first-round knockout to Robert "Buzz" Berry at Cage Rage 25. The loss was Shamrock's fifth straight -- and his seventh loss in his past eight fights. In fact, the 44-year-old has won just one fight since September 2001.

              "Inside MMA" has packaged this video clip specially for ( readers so the conversation and debate can continue here.

              Should Shamrock retire? Are serious injuries now a legitimate threat, or is Shamrock's recent losses the result of facing top competition? Is it even up to fans and analysts to debate a retirement -- or is it a decision for Shamrock, and Shamrock alone, to make?

              HDNet's "Inside MMA" program has provided this exclusive video clip to in conjunction with a partnership between the two news outlet. For more on the partnership, check out our original announcement. Catch new episodes of "Inside MMA" on HDNet every Friday at 9:30 p.m. ET. For more information on "Inside MMA" and HDNet Fights, visit For more information on HDNet and how to subscribe, visit
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              • #37
                Frank Shamrock says brother Ken did steroids “his whole life”

                March 20, 2008 By: Adam Morgan Category: Frank Shamrock, Ken Shamrock
                When Frank Shamrock brings out the dirt, he doesn’t mess around. He recently stated to MMA Madness that his brother and MMA legend Ken Shamrock did steroids “his whole life”:
                MMA Madness: You say that you’ve seen guys take steroids. Could you maybe give us any names?
                Shamrock: Sure, my brother Ken did them his whole life.
                MMA Madness: Really?
                Shamrock: Yeah. Why do you think that his mind is so fried? Why do you think he crumbles before the big fights? He’s got no psyche. He let steroids give him a false sense of security and the moment that stuff is gone he’s no longer superman. He’s just a regular man. But without all the hard work and without all the belief in himself that a regular man would have if he got up to that point. He’s the only guy that I’ll tell on, because he’s always in trouble anyway.
                Frank slings mud like no other fighter in this industry. Sometimes you just have to sit back in awe of the kind of trash the guy talks. As for Ken taking steroids, it doesn’t surprise me one bit if it’s true. Just look at the guy’s weigh-in pictures from the Cage Rage event a couple of weeks ago. He’s always been jacked up and he was in the WWE, a known steroid-friendly environment.
                I also find it funny that Frank won’t give up the goods on anyone else, but he could give a rat’s ass about throwing his brother under the bus. Classic Frank Shamrock.
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                • #38

                  Following his first win in over four years, former UFC and Pride fighter Ken Shamrock allegedly tested positive for three different anabolic agents after defeating Ross Clifton in the War Gods show on Feb. 13. The California State Athletic Commission announced the infraction on Wednesday.

                  According to the statement, Shamrock tested positive for Norandrosterone, Noretiocholanolone, and Stanozolol.

                  Shamrock faces a suspension retroactive to the date of the bout, which will run from Feb. 13, 2009 to Feb. 1, 2010. The leader of the Lion's Den will also face a $2,500 fine imposed from the commission.

                  Shamrock will have the right to appeal the decision, and according to the athletic commission statement, they will make no further comment about the situation pending Shamrock's right to appeal.

                  This obviously puts his bout upcoming on March 21 against former WWE star Bobby Lashley under scrutiny as the two former pro wrestlers were set to do battle as a part of Roy Jones Jr.'s upcoming boxing/MMA hybrid show.

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                  • #39
                    UFC 100 FLASHBACK: KEN SHAMROCK

                    In the early days of the UFC perhaps no one fighter did as much to lay the foundation for modern mixed martial arts as did Ken Shamrock.

                    One of the sportís first true hybrid fighters, Shamrockís success as an individual only helped fuel the creation of one of MMAís most successful teams, the Lionís Den.

                    Along with fighters such as Jerry Bohlander, Mikey Burnett, and Pete Williams, the Lionís Den would establish the template for the modern MMA team and become the foundation for the UFC as it segued from spectacle to legitimate sport.

                    In celebration of this weekendís UFC 100 event, spoke to Shamrock about his early days in the UFC, the impact the Lionís Den made on the promotion and what he feels is the true reason for his popularity among the fans.

                    MMAWeekly: Firstly, Ken, tell us how you initially got involved in the UFC.

                    Ken Shamrock: I was actually competing (in Pancrase) over in Japan, and was the heavyweight champion over there at the time, and I remembered that one of my students had gotten a flyer about this no-holds-barred event with bare knuckle fighting and grappling all put together.

                    It was kind of what I was doing in Japan, but I had never seen anything like it here in the States. So I got the flyer and made some calls and spoke to Art Davies, and told him what I did and what my credentials were. I believe right then and there, he said theyíd love to have me involved with the event.

                    MMAWeekly: According to UFC 1 commentator Kathy Long, there was a mass of confusion at that first show. Did you feel the confusion?

                    Ken Shamrock: Yeah, it was real confusing. The reason why it was confusing, it wasnít because of the organization or people putting it on, it was because no one really understood what they were getting into. No one had ever seen or heard of anything like this before.

                    I thought that it was never going to happen; theyíre not going to allow this. I thought the closer we got to the fight, they were going to start making changes, saying that theyíre not going to do this, not going to do that. The whole time Iím waiting for them to throw in some gimmick stuff, but it never happened.

                    MMAWeekly: Having had some hybrid fighting experience from your time in Pancrase, you had to feel like the man to beat at that first show.

                    Ken Shamrock: Oh, no doubt. In fact, when I went in to fight Royce Gracie, to me it was a kid wearing pajamas. I really thought he was going to be a karate guy who did some things on the ground. I didnít understand him, and thought he was a joke, and went in there thinking I would destroy him.

                    Unfortunately, thatís a mistake a lot of athletes make, not taking people seriously, and I made that mistake. Next thing I know he has that gi wrapped around my neck and was choking me with it. I never realized that you could use that gi as a weapon, so it was a big realization for me.

                    MMAWeekly: What did you feel about the overall competition you faced in the early days?

                    Ken Shamrock: Youíre talking about guys getting in the cage; bare knuckles, no rules, no time limit, never having been in that position before; guys walking in there and putting it on the line. Whether these guys were straight up either conditioned athletes or not Ė some were and some werenít Ė the bottom line is these guys had a mental fortitude that is second to none.

                    They got in there not knowing if they were going to get killed or not; because it was basically billed like that, and it went off as that. If you saw the first fight, the guy got kicked right in the face. This was real. So you know the guys that stepped into that cage had a very, very strong mental attitude. It was open to the whole world, and only a few stepped up.

                    MMAWeekly: What were the moments that most stick out in your mind from that time?

                    Ken Shamrock: The first thing that sticks out in my head (is from UFC 5 where) I ended up putting Royce Gracie at his limit. Pretty much they had to carry him out of the ring, and that was the end of the Royce Gracie reign.

                    The second thing was able to capture the (UFC) title. I fought guys who won the tournaments throughout the year, when they had a tournament for the best of the best, and then that winner would be qualified to fight me for the title later on down the road. So I was fighting the best of the best every time I stepped into the cage.

                    I can truly say that I did defend (my titles) in every aspect all over the world. Because in Japan I fought against guys from all over the world, and here in the States I fought against the guys who stepped up and put it on the line, the best of the best.

                    MMAWeekly: Letís talk about the Lionís Den. Your team essentially was the foundation for the next era of the UFC, as it began to transition into a regulated sport. Tell us your thoughts on that time for the team.

                    Ken Shamrock: It was really exciting, because one of the commentators made mention one time was that every time a Lionís Den fighter stepped in Ė and this was after (at UFC 17) Pete Williams knocked out Mark Coleman Ė somebody gets hurt. It seemed like every time one of our guys came into the cage, even on their first fight, somebody got hurt.

                    With the training we did at the Lionís Den, it was every single day. They lived in a fighterís house, woke up, they ate, they trained and they slept Ė and thatís all they did. So they were able to in six months be able to get in a few years of that kind of training in and compete with guys where doing it for years.

                    MMAWeekly: You guys essentially established the template for what all other teams whoíve come after have used. Thatís got to feel pretty good.

                    Ken Shamrock: It makes me feel really good. Everybody tries to deny itís not the formula. Even the UFC, who has The Ultimate Fighter show, denies that it has anything to do with the Lionís Den training and how itís set up. If you look at my book back in Ď96, Enter the Lionís Den, itís exactly what it is.

                    With the fighters and how they joke around with each other, the fighting in the house and the training time in the gym. Then all of a sudden the show comes out years later, thereís no denying thatís where it came from; and then you see all these other teams pop up.

                    Yes, we set the standard for the team concept and how you stick together. Thereís no way in the history that will be changed. No matter how hard someone doesnít want to give credit where credit is due, that is where that team concept is, it is the Lionís Den and thatís where it started.

                    MMAWeekly: Even after you left the UFC, whenever they needed to bring in big numbers, you were the man they called on and brought back. What do you think about that?

                    Ken Shamrock: I think itís great. Every time I stepped in there it was the biggest ratings. First there was Royce Gracie, then Kimo, then Tito, then Kimo again, then Rich Franklin where I fought him on national TV (for The Ultimate Fighter 1 Finale), where the ratings were sky high on that one. Then there was the Tito/Ken Ultimate Fighter (Season 3), which still has the highest ratings for that show.

                    Thereís so many things that you can look at along the way, that when I got involved in, the ratings went up, and thatís not by chance. I understand what the fans want. I understand that the fans are a very, very important part of MMA history and being able to succeed in this business. Iíve always remembered that every time I went out and talked to the fans, did Meet & Greets, I understood that and I needed to make sure that they understood that I understood that and appreciated it.

                    MMAWeekly: Thanks for your time, as always, Ken. Is there anything you want to say in conclusion?

                    Ken Shamrock: Right now Iím running a Lionís Den gym here in Reno, Nevada, which just had its grand opening a few weeks ago. Weíre working hard on getting that thing moving strong. I also run a promotion, and weíre in the midst of working on a deal with a casino down in San Diego and once that gets locked up, doing about six shows a year down there.

                    Iím also making public appearances as well. Iím going to down to Missouri to spend it with some guys who will be showing UFC 100 and hang out with the people, shake some hands, sign some autographs, play a little golf and enjoy meeting the fans.

                    Thatís what I do a lot of; I do a lot of Meet & Greets to show appreciation for all the years of support people have given me. So I do a lot of that, and the more that I do of that and the more the fans are going to be able to come in contact with me and know I appreciate everything theyíve done for me all a these years.

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                    • #40
                      I feel bad for the guy. He just cant let it go and realise hes nothing now compared to even average fighters of the sport.


                      • #41
                        During a recent radio appearance, UFC Hall Of Famer Ken Shamrock spoke about the origins of his beef with Kimbo Slice, the man he faces in the main event of the Bellator MMA "Unfinished Business" event on June 20th.

                        Below are highlights of the Shamrock interview, which aired on Submission Radio:

                        Also read: Dana White & Ken Shamrock Involved In Twitter 'War'

                        On Brock Lesnar deciding to retire from MMA and stay in pro wrestling: "I think his choice is whatever he feels he needs to do is going to be the right choice, and don't second guess yourself. Whatever choice he makes is going to be the right one. He's a star in both. He's proved himself in both. So whatever he chooses is going to be the right one for him."
                        On what Kimbo said that upset him: "Well, you know, when the thing happened, there were a lot of accusations being said about my cut and how it happened and saying that I didn't want to fight him, [that] I was afraid of him; which is..come on, that's ridiculous. I made a living of fighting, and fighting a guy like Kimbo who has no experience whatsoever on the ground, I would spank him like a little child. So it was actually a blessing for him that I didn't fight, because I don't believe he would have fought again after that fight; but it was what it was, he said the things that he said. My father was in the hospital, he went into a coma and was going through some complications, and I believe that's what bothered me the most, was when I was going through these difficult times in my life with someone that had really, you know, gave me an opportunity at life and that was a special person in my life. And then for me to be treated and talked to the way that I was during that time by him and his people, was very disrespectful to me. And that's one of the reasons why in the back of my mind [I thought], if I ever had the opportunity to fix this unsettled business between me and him, I would jump all over it. And we have that opportunity now for me to be able to go in and to really set the record straight on who Kimbo Slice is and who Ken Shamrock is."

                        On the Kimbo fight: "I'm going to get in the ring and I'm going to show people who I am and how my body has responded to training by going in the ring and just destroying Kimbo Slice."

                        On fans believing that Kimbo Slice's is a good striker and Ken's belief that he's not good enough to be in MMA: "Kimbo Slice is not a good striker. I don't know where they're getting it from. The guy did some boxing with some handpicked opponents that didn't have chins and that couldn't box a lick. The fact is that most of them had two left feet. So I don't know where they're getting this from. I don't know how they're saying this guy is that good. I've never thought that he's been that good. I've never even - except for the very first time when I went in and I was going to fight him. I always thought, 'okay, well obviously he's winning some of these fights, even though they're handpicking them. He's still knocking guys out, so he's gotta have something there'. When I watched Seth Petruzelli go in against him and do what he did against him, I was pretty much convinced that this guy shouldn't be in MMA, and not even in boxing. The guy couldn't even make it in boxing. I mean, they tried to handpick fights, they tried to push him, and I think people have finally realized that this thing, that this phenomenon from the website, the YouTube or whatever he came from, and they put him in the ring, and they handpicked fights for him, and blew him up and did a tremendous job. I'm not hacking on these guys. I thought it was a brilliant job for them to do what they did, and keep him around for as long as they did. That was tremendous. I mean that's a feat that can't be done again, I'll almost bet it can't be done again. So hats off to them for doing it, but that gig is up."
                        Listen to the audio of the complete Ken Shamrock interview below.

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                        • #42
                          Ken sha

                          Who would win. The Worlds Most Dangerous Man, Ken Shamrock who won the WWF King Of The Ring tournament in 1998 by tapping out The Rock or current John Bones Jones
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