Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Is steroid use against Christian principals??

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Originally posted by Mike Arnold View Post
    In the OT God's son had not yet been fully revealed...only in part. In the NT, Yaweh is STILL #1, with Christ as his subordinate, but you already know this, Celt....you just like to argue with christians...LOL.
    But see Mike, now you enter into the whole "What is the Trinity" debate for which there are just as many interpretations as there are of scripture. A debate I'm not getting sucked into any more either LOL
    “War is peace.
    Freedom is slavery.
    Ignorance is strength.”
    ― George Orwell

    Comment


    • Originally posted by Mike Arnold View Post
      Lent is NOT a christian teaching anyway...it has nothing to do with christianity in any sense, but only catholocism.
      Correct, Jesus intsructed the disciples to keep Passover how to observe Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread...He also instituted the washing of feet and the "communion" to be followed after his death. The meaning of communion probably being added later by the evil Catholic Church......

      Thus, all Christians are sinning because they are not following the Judaic faith as their teacher wanted them to....
      “War is peace.
      Freedom is slavery.
      Ignorance is strength.”
      ― George Orwell

      Comment


      • Originally posted by Mike Arnold View Post
        LOL. If you want to go at this one with a backslidden ex-assistant pastor and nominated head pastor (which I turned down) let'go. You'll lose. LENT is in no way part of original christiaity and is purely a teaching of catholocism. In fact, we can debate anything invloving christianity....you'll lose. I already saw your defense of a few things relating to christian teaching in this forum in the last 2 days...pitiful. You mess was beyond easy to clean up. You aren't smart enough and you don't know enough to take me on, brother.


        So...stick to what you know. Prior to nearly turning my back completely on God, his will was my life....Church was my life...study was my life. Just when you think you know someone....you don't.

        LOL, now you were a possible pastor? Right...

        Comment


        • Originally posted by Mike Arnold View Post
          If you only got the begining part correct....you would have been correct.
          Indeed, I should have worded the first part more clearly, but I said 'current' christianity. Obviously christianity came before Roman Catholicism, but they took it and warped it for their own benefit, just like most organised religions over history have. Roman Catholics kept christianity alive for over 1500 years and spread it around the world.
          Current evangelical christianity in all its denominations have benefited from this, they have just opened up new franchises, if you will whilst going back to preaching its roots.

          Comment


          • Originally posted by Corrupt Nexus View Post
            Morality is independent from religion.
            Morality is whatever people think is moral. Whether it is right or wrong depends on whose evaluating the situation....be it God or man.

            Also to say that the Ten Commandments are Christian is half true seeing as they originated in the Tanakh. How can you deny that the Ma'at was the original and more vast predecessor to the 10 commandments?
            Many religions have shared vast similarities with christian morailty, but my point was not that prior religions did not hold to any of these teachings, but rather, that christian morality in it's totality is unique and it derived from much more than solely the 10 commendments.

            (http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/200...-commandments/) The ten commandments are straight from this list. Also saying that Christianity doesn't share anything with Egyptian religions, or in fact any other religion is inane.
            Of course Chrisianity shares teachings with other religions. Most religions have similar teachings regading basic morality. However, the core of christinaity...what christinaity is truly about at it's essence...is wholly unique from other religions. Christiniaty is NOT about morality at it's essence...it is about the Gospel...meaning the "Good news" of Jesus christ. According to biblicalteaching, Christianity only exists to restore man's broken relationship with God through the sacrifice of Christ. Christianity teaches that man is sinful in Gods sight....that man's sins lead to death....that only Jesus was able to and did die as a substitue for man's sins....and that anyone who does not accept this substitue cannot be forgiven of their sins and therefore, must pay for them through eternal destruction from the presence of God....or hell/the lake of fire/the 2nd death.

            Christianity is far from original and has drawn it's roots from many more ancient religions.
            The basis for christianity is completely original, as described above, but many of it's moral teachings are common to many religions.

            Such as theophagy, or the consumption of the flesh of a fertility god traced back to a neolithic fertility rite surrounding a god who must die in order to rise again, so that it may save it's followers. Hmm, sounds like communion and the idea of sacrifice in order to save.
            No...LOL. Theophagy is not a religion, but rather a rite far removed from the teachings of Jesus at the last supper, in which many ancient religions and even modern day 3rd world practices like canabalism, derive it's ideas. Theophagy is not designed to "save" it's paticipants....and never does it refer to savings the erternal lives of man. In fact, it not always even pertaining to eating a god, but most often a man. It can have many meanings. The consumption of flesh...or theophagy, whether God or man, was thought to instill either powers/attributes of the God/man being eaten into the eater....or to encourage a God's blessing regarding specific events, such as rainfall, the growing of crops, or for any reason, really. Regarding the fertiity rites, they can vary according to the practitioners, but are frequently done to bring about blessing of childbirth or the growing or crops through rainfall or simply a Gods'blessing for plentiful crops. You likening of these fertility rites to christianity by citing theophagy is world's away from the meaning of the last supper, from which we derive communion, as the last supper is merely a tradition done to encourage the rememberance of Jesus's sacrifice for believers.

            Eating a perspon/thing/animal/god in order to instill in the eater certain qualities or obtain the blessing of a god if far removed from Christianity'scommunion. First of all, eating the body and blood of Jesus is symbolic and done ONLY in remeberance of what Jesus did forus. When the last supper is reinacted, it is ONLY done so that believers will remember what Jesus did for them. They are not gaining a blessing or any Godly attributes. It is no different than a family continuing to put flowers by a deceased family members grave every year in remembrance of the deceased family member. Jesus was simply likening his body and blood to the bread and wine and participating in the meal was an acknowldgement that they were accepting of the sacrifice Jesus made for them. It is nothing more and very different from traditional theophagy. The "communion" many chrsitians participate in usesa generic wafer and grapejuice for this purpose of rememberance, as the point isn't about eating food, but remembering the sacrifice.

            Now, Catholocism warped and distorted the meaning of the last supper numerous times, particulary when they attempted to teach that the bread and wine actually became Jesus's flesh (just a little fucked up...LOL) through transubstantiation, although this is just one of many things Catholocism fucked up regarding biblical christianity. Reagrdless of what catholocism teahes today or tomorrow,the biblical teaching will never change.


            Orphic traditions placed a major influence on the idea that salvation in the afterlife. In Orphic traditions Dionysus is killed by his own people in because of his teachings and is resurrected. Orphism and Hermetcism played major roles in influencing Platonist mysticism which in turn influenced early Christians.
            LOL....stop reading from some website because all of this is assumption and quite frankly, some of it is ridiculous.

            First of all...you are getting WAY off topic regarding christian morality and it'steachings, which is what this debate was about. This has NOTHING to do it with christian morality/teaching. Christian morality is far away from Orphic teachings,as is hermeticism. Orphic principles are more closely alligned to shaminism than christianity. Orphic stories talk about god's killing other god's and then that God coming back to life again. The fact that the God in these stoties died or came back to life has nohting to do with it being related to the salvation of mankind. It's simply a ancinet greek story about one god killing anoher, being cannibalized by another and then being brought back to life. Sounds like something any culture could have thought about. Do you not think no one has ever though about coming back to life after death? All cultures have. Sorry, but simply because this tradition teaches a God died and came back to life,just as many cultures talk about life after death, does not mean christinaity derived it's ideas from it. The point is that the only thing Orphic traditions have in common with christianity is that somone died and came back to life. Nothing is else is shared with christianity and it's definitely not related to the central purpose of christianity, which is a God dying for the sins of man.

            Regarding hermeticism, this a broad set of beliefs centered around what we call occultism. Neither it's teachings, which are diverse, nor it's morality is identifiable with cristianity. in fact, hermeticism isn't even really a set of teachings, buta philosophy which can have various meanings depending on which occultic lense you view it through. Nothing more needs to be said, as it's quite clear that neither salvation nor christian morality are derived from the hermeticism, which is nothing more than a wide-ranging philosophy used to descibe various occultic beliefs and practices.


            Even more interesting is according to Brod und Wein and Der Enzige wine is a major thematic reference in both Dionysus's and Jesus's stories. Referencing to the fact that the transformation of water to wine at the Marriage of Cana story was intended to show that Jesus was stronger than Dionysus. Transubstantiation is present in both Christianity and Orpism.
            No....it is prevanent in both Orphic traditions and "Catholocism"...as transsubstantiation is purely a Catholic teachings which they no longer even hold to as a church...as least most of catholocism doesn't. Transubstantiation isn't, never was and never will be part of biblical teaching...which is christianity.

            I will be the first to agree with you that Catholocism is steeped in occultic teachings and always has been, but Catholocism is not christianity....at least not biblical christianity. I will not debate that Catholocism is not related to many of these teachings you have outlined....because it is...as Catholocism is largely derived from occultic teacings and beliefs. I do not holdto these occultic teachings myself and neither does biblical christianity,which all but the Catholic church hold to be true christianity.If you continueto argue froma Catholic stadpoint....I agree. If you argue from a biblical standpoint....I don't. Most of what you said ONLY applies to catholocism...not bibilcal teachings. The problem is that many non-christians and most non-christian websites from which you get your info do not differentiate from Catholocism and biblical christianity, so aslong as you argue from a non-biblical standpoint....there is no "christan" debate.


            Dionysus approaches King Pentheus on charges of claiming divinity, Jesus approaches Pontius Pilate on charges of claiming divinity.
            ....and your point is? Do you know how many kings have claimed to be divine over the years? LOL.

            Osiris from Egyptian mythology and Jesus are essentially the same person. Osiris was of divine origin, he suffered death and mutilation at the hands of the power of evil, then after a great struggle with these powers rose again, and became henceforth the king of the underworld and the judge of the dead, because he had conquered death so that the righteous could conquer death.
            Close, but let's try again. Before I get going....it's important to remember that many cultures have stories like these. Taking one part of a bunch of different religions, which is what you have done...which don't even necessarily accurately resemble it's christian counterpart...and then saying this religion is where christianity got it's beliefs from....is ridiculous and nothing but pure speculation and assumption.....your theory is basically an amalgamative smorgas board of various religious beliefs, pholosophies and practices.

            Regarding Osiris, the story goesmore like this...which sounds more likea soap opera than christianity. It goes like this: Set became jealous of Osiris's bitch, so set made a beautiful old chest and it looked so good that Osiris decided to getinside it...after which Set smalled the door shut and tossed it out ot sea. Osiris's bitch, Isis, found her lover Osirsis and with her stunning magick brought Osiris back to life, but only long enough to fuck, after which screw session Isis got knocked up and had a son which she names horus. Osiris ended up going to the underword, whichis where everyon went after death and endedup becoming it's gaurdian, but he could never leave the place....he coul only judge other dead souls.

            Sorry, but the simlarities to Jeuss are few.....and even those are not accurate.



            The Osirian cycle dies on the 17th of the month of Athyr, the month between October 28th and November 26th. and is revived on the 19th much like the 3 day resurrection of Christ. When Osiris dies his death is mourned and on the third day is celebrated, on par with the resurrection story of Christ. St. Pauls comparison of bodily resurrection with a seed being planted and corn growing (1 Cor 15:35-38) is based on the Ancient Egyptian concepts in which germinating seeds in Osiris beds represent resurrection.
            That is in an inaccurate representation of pauls' teaching. It is not at all the same, but drastically taken out of context.

            Early Christian's followed many of the same systems as the Osirian's which included the mummification of corpses that ended with the arrival of Islam.
            Untrue. Jewish custom was to bury their dead as they were, which christians maintain till this day. I don't knowwhere you got this information, unless you though that simply putting ointments and perfurms on a dead body, like Mary did with Jesus...is enbalming him....it is not.

            The only christians who did this were few in number and by and large, standard burial was supported.

            The relationship between Isis and Horus is identical to the relationship between "The Virgin" Mary and Jesus.
            No....it's not.

            Shed was a Egyptian deity referred to as the "savior". Shed is identified with Horus and represents the concept of salvation.
            Nice Wiki read....almost word for word....just had to see if you were going there.....nice taking it out of context to. Not only was the equivalent word of "salvation" never used in ancinet egypt when referring horus, but even if one does decide to employ the term, the meaning of what Horus stood for and what Jesus stood for are light years apart. Nice try, but no cigar. Others have tried to show a small likeness between them and there are some similarities, but the differences are so large, that saying they both represnted the same thing is ridulous.

            Even more entertaining is the parallel between Buddha and Christ. Both Buddha and Christ had disciples or apostles.
            LOL....do you know how mnay religions had men as "followers"? Any religion can find some similarities between itself and others but when you have to go through 20 different ones just to find a few similarities bearing half-hearted semblance, it is absurd when attempting to say christinaity derived it's teachings from other religions.

            Buddhism originated 500 years before the Apostolic age and the origin of Christianity. The Gospel of Thomas shares many parallels with Buddhist tradition.
            The gospel of Thomas is not part of the christan bible and was rejected for sound reasons.

            The infancy of Jesus in the Gospel of Luke is comparatively the same as Buddha in Lalitavistara Sutra. During the purposed life of Christ and time in which the Gospel of Thomas was composed, Buddhist missionaries lived in Alexandria, Egypt. By the time of Christ, the teachings of Buddha has already spread through most of India and ppenetrated in Sri Lanka, Central Asia, and China. They similarities such as Christian moral precepts of more than five centires later, the sanctity of life, compassion for others, rejection of violence, confession and emphasis on charity and the practice of virute.
            Sounds like every religion....really...all BUT satanism.

            Emperor Ashoka sent missionaries to Syria, Egypt, and Greece possibly setting the stage for Christian teachings. Christian and Buddhist Parallels: monasticism and communal living for spirtual adherents which adhered to the principles of pracitcing poverty and chastitty, early Christian Councils reminciscent in orignazation of Buddhist councils, millsonaries and missons which were first organized and established by Buddhist, all predate the early Christian organizations in the same areas where Christianity was first established such as Antioch. Buddha and Christ were born from a virgin. Numerous parallels in the birth story such as; the palm tree bends down to Mary as the Asoka tree to Yashodara. The Story of Simeon, the accounts of the bright light being almost word for word the same. The Idol bending down to the infant Jesus.
            LOLat the "Idol" bending downto the infant Jesus. When attempting to compare other religions to christinaity at least use accepted christian books...namely the bible....not books rejectedby chrsitianity as NOT being part of scripture. You can't use stories about Jesus christianity doesn't consider part of the christian religion.

            The miracle of the sparrows restored to life.
            Not part of the Christian religion....not partof the Bible.

            Judas Iscariot in the early life attacked Jesus, just as Devadetta, the Judas of Buddhism, attacked Buddha. A violent blow that Jesus received in the lief side made a mark that was destined to be the exact spot that received the mortal spear thrust at the Crucifixion.
            Get back to Chrsitianiaty....not fables which are not part of the religion.

            Thee story of the disputation with the doctors seems copied from the Lalita Vistara. Both Jesus and Buddha were said to have walked on water. Both also brought a disciple out on to the water with them, allowing them to be able to walk based only on their faith in their teacher. Both begin to sink when the doubt. Queen Maya came to bear Buddha after receiving a prophetic dream in which she saw the descent of the Bodhisattva from the Tusita heaven into her womb, in the shape of a small white elephant. Sharing many parallels with the story of Jesus being conceived in connection with the visitation of the Holy Spirit to Mary. The iconography of Mary breastfeeding the child Jesus, unknown to the west until the 5-6th century has also been conneced with the much more ancient iconography of the goddes Hariti, Also breastfeeding her child, and wearing Hellenistic clothes in the Greco-Buddhist art of Gandhara. T.W. Rhys David once said " Lamaism with its shaven priest, its bells and rosaries, its images and holy water, its popes and bishops, its abbots and monks of many grades, its processions and feast days, its confessional and purgatory, its worship of the double Virgin, so strong resembles Roamanism that the first Catholic missionaries thought it must be an imitation by the devil of the religion of Christ." Rosaries spread from India to Western Europe during the Crusades via its Muslim version, the tasbih. A form of prayer rope appears to have been used in Eastern Christendom much earlier; so, it is argued the Muslim tasbih may originate from a Christian source. Both have 33 beads corresponding to the years of Christ's life. Prayer with Palms touching on another, the Anjali Mudra, is a common form of greeting and prayer gesture in all Indian spiritual traditions, including the Buddhist. It is absent in Jewish traditions who scriptures specify raised or clasped hands. Prayer with palms touching one another is, however, depicted in Christian art from the middle ages onward. These are but a few religions and examples. I can digress all day if I wanted to. The point is that your connotation that Egyptians and Christian's are different only proves your lack of historical knowledge on the subject. As far as the ten commandments dictating morality, the other rules and laws that exist within the Old Testament have little to do with morality and more to do with functioning of day to day life. I can't untie the Bible and it's followers, they are one in the same, and as long as the Bible is read as a factual element then it's followers will always delay scientific inquiry and advancement of humanity. The fact you said that few Christian's are superstitious is insane! Why would anyone follow the writings in a book from the Middle East if not for superstition? You have to telepathically accept your lord and savior and allow him a place in your heart, any of your transgressions must be brought in prayer a telepathic form of communication with a god, if you fail to accept him you will burn in hell, you must have your faith in Christ's publicly displayed by baptism, you consume the Bread and Wine as Flesh and Blood of your dead and revived god, you teach the trinity or that three people are actually one, and more than anything you believe that when a Christian dies their soul will rise to heaven to live for eternity with all your other followers. Now how is that not superstition? Superstition was what allowed the Church to teach the Earth was flat and the center of the universe. Birth Control is a major no-no to practicing Catholics, and don't even say they aren't Christian because without them other denominations wouldn't exist, the pope denounces condoms and hormonal control saying that withdrawal is the only acceptable way. You ever wondered why that was? Maybe it's because in order for a religion to continue to exist it must have followers, and the best way to increase your follower base is have your followers produce many children. It's easier for a convert to produce a child and they by default are a practitioner of that religion, than to run around and shove it down other peoples throat. As for your comment about the world's greatest men believing in God, whom are you referring to? Most, if not all, the greatest scientist were agnostic not Christian. I am not saying that those who believe in God are unfit, I am saying those that let it control their life and make decisions based of what they think their God would want are unfit. WWJD is the biggest load of shit I have ever heard.
            I did not read anything beynd my last comment because most of it was not even applicable to what we consider to be christianity. Most of what you said was shit and far off track...as I started to show, before burning out at the end. Sorry, but taking 1000 bits and pieces from 100 different religions, which are anywhere from partially similar to vaguely similar....and then saying this is where christianity derived it's religion....LOL. You can do that with any religion and I stand 100% behind my original post.

            Comment


            • Originally posted by FrancisJamesW-III View Post
              Indeed, I should have worded the first part more clearly, but I said 'current' christianity. Obviously christianity came before Roman Catholicism, but they took it and warped it for their own benefit, just like most organised religions over history have. Roman Catholics kept christianity alive for over 1500 years and spread it around the world.
              Current evangelical christianity in all its denominations have benefited from this, they have just opened up new franchises, if you will whilst going back to preaching its roots.
              That's cool...just a misunderstanding.

              Comment


              • Originally posted by KurtyJ99 View Post
                LOL, now you were a possible pastor? Right...
                Yes....before I told God to Fuck off after what happened in my life. Everyone thinks it will never happen to them...and that's what I thought. "Ohhh...how could anyone ever get angry with God when we know he's just and righteous in all his ways?". I used to think this same thing myself....until it happend. Years later I haven't stepped into church but once or twice and have not opended the bible once. Asisstant pastor at 2 different churches...nominated for head pastor after the current one was gping to another church....fell away almost completely. Mainted my faith in Jesus for salvation, as reality is impossible to ignore, but that's it. Changed completely since. Since I lost my child, God's will matters little. The Process took years to happen before I got to that point, but it is reality today. I was a social worker as my fultime job then...left to go into drug rehab centers wokring with addicts...left that for the car business....no I am here today as a coach. Little desire to go back....seared conscience. Virtually indistiguishable from the world.

                Comment


                • Originally posted by The Celt View Post
                  But see Mike, now you enter into the whole "What is the Trinity" debate for which there are just as many interpretations as there are of scripture. A debate I'm not getting sucked into any more either LOL
                  I don't blameyou....thank you...LOL.

                  Comment


                  • Originally posted by The Celt View Post
                    Correct, Jesus intsructed the disciples to keep Passover how to observe Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread...He also instituted the washing of feet and the "communion" to be followed after his death. The meaning of communion probably being added later by the evil Catholic Church......

                    Thus, all Christians are sinning because they are not following the Judaic faith as their teacher wanted them to....

                    I can't tell if your being a smart ass or not...LOL.

                    Comment


                    • Originally posted by Mike Arnold View Post
                      Truth....every single scripture that has thus far been pulled out to justify the belief that all AAS use is sinful is quite frankly, ridiculous....just as much as saying all alcohol use is sinful. Those verses are being misrepresented and taken out of context, as the reader is taking the liberty upon himself to authoritatively go outside the verse's clear and direct meaning by applying his own personal convinctions to the interpretation of each one when it is obvious his beliefs are reaching and unable to be directly supported by other verses in the bible.

                      yep
                      "I'm tired of always being right. It gives me an unfair advantage when I debate Alemannic German speaking trolls."

                      Comment


                      • Originally posted by Mike Arnold View Post
                        Yes....before I told God to Fuck off after what happened in my life. Everyone thinks it will never happen to them...and that's what I thought. "Ohhh...how could anyone ever get angry with God when we know he's just and righteous in all his ways?". I used to think this same thing myself....until it happend. Years later I haven't stepped into church but once or twice and have not opended the bible once. Asisstant pastor at 2 different churches...nominated for head pastor after the current one was gping to another church....fell away almost completely. Mainted my faith in Jesus for salvation, as reality is impossible to ignore, but that's it. Changed completely since. Since I lost my child, God's will matters little. The Process took years to happen before I got to that point, but it is reality today. I was a social worker as my fultime job then...left to go into drug rehab centers wokring with addicts...left that for the car business....no I am here today as a coach. Little desire to go back....seared conscience. Virtually indistiguishable from the world.
                        I share a similar background in my faith, and yet, I find myself vehemently opposed to the calculated distortions of God's character being submitted by skeptics.

                        As a former Pastor, one truth shines brightly in my mind. It is far, far easier to split a church than to build one up. It takes neither strength nor intelligence to misrepresent God's character or the people who serve Him.
                        "I'm tired of always being right. It gives me an unfair advantage when I debate Alemannic German speaking trolls."

                        Comment


                        • Originally posted by Mike Arnold View Post
                          LOL. If you want to go at this one with a backslidden ex-assistant pastor and nominated head pastor (which I turned down) let'go. You'll lose. LENT is in no way part of original christiaity and is purely a teaching of catholocism. In fact, we can debate anything invloving christianity....you'll lose. I already saw your defense of a few things relating to christian teaching in this forum in the last 2 days...pitiful. You mess was beyond easy to clean up. You aren't smart enough and you don't know enough to take me on, brother.


                          So...stick to what you know. Prior to nearly turning my back completely on God, his will was my life....Church was my life...study was my life. Just when you think you know someone....you don't.
                          it's entirely catholic, surprised to hear Kurty say otherwise
                          "I'm tired of always being right. It gives me an unfair advantage when I debate Alemannic German speaking trolls."

                          Comment


                          • Originally posted by Corrupt Nexus View Post
                            Morality is independent from religion. Also to say that the Ten Commandments are Christian is half true seeing as they originated in the Tanakh. How can you deny that the Ma'at was the original and more vast predecessor to the 10 commandments? (http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/200...-commandments/)

                            The ten commandments are straight from this list. Also saying that Christianity doesn't share anything with Egyptian religions, or in fact any other religion is inane. Christianity is far from original and has drawn it's roots from many more ancient religions. Such as theophagy, or the consumption of the flesh of a fertility god traced back to a neolithic fertility rite surrounding a god who must die in order to rise again, so that it may save it's followers. Hmm, sounds like communion and the idea of sacrifice in order to save.

                            Orphic traditions placed a major influence on the idea that salvation in the afterlife. In Orphic traditions Dionysus is killed by his own people in because of his teachings and is resurrected.

                            Orphism and Hermetcism played major roles in influencing Platonist mysticism which in turn influenced early Christians. Even more interesting is according to Brod und Wein and Der Enzige wine is a major thematic reference in both Dionysus's and Jesus's stories. Referencing to the fact that the transformation of water to wine at the Marriage of Cana story was intended to show that Jesus was stronger than Dionysus.

                            Transubstantiation is present in both Christianity and Orpism. Dionysus approaches King Pentheus on charges of claiming divinity, Jesus approaches Pontius Pilate on charges of claiming divinity. Osiris from Egyptian mythology and Jesus are essentially the same person. Osiris was of divine origin, he suffered death and mutilation at the hands of the power of evil, then after a great struggle with these powers rose again, and became henceforth the king of the underworld and the judge of the dead, because he had conquered death so that the righteous could conquer death. The Osirian cycle dies on the 17th of the month of Athyr, the month between October 28th and November 26th. and is revived on the 19th much like the 3 day resurrection of Christ.

                            When Osiris dies his death is mourned and on the third day is celebrated, on par with the resurrection story of Christ. St. Pauls comparison of bodily resurrection with a seed being planted and corn growing (1 Cor 15:35-38) is based on the Ancient Egyptian concepts in which germinating seeds in Osiris beds represent resurrection. Early Christian's followed many of the same systems as the Osirian's which included the mummification of corpses that ended with the arrival of Islam.

                            The relationship between Isis and Horus is identical to the relationship between "The Virgin" Mary and Jesus. Shed was a Egyptian deity referred to as the "savior". Shed is identified with Horus and represents the concept of salvation. Even more entertaining is the parallel between Buddha and Christ. Both Buddha and Christ had disciples or apostles.

                            Buddhism originated 500 years before the Apostolic age and the origin of Christianity. The Gospel of Thomas shares many parallels with Buddhist tradition. The infancy of Jesus in the Gospel of Luke is comparatively the same as Buddha in Lalitavistara Sutra. During the purposed life of Christ and time in which the Gospel of Thomas was composed, Buddhist missionaries lived in Alexandria, Egypt. By the time of Christ, the teachings of Buddha has already spread through most of India and ppenetrated in Sri Lanka, Central Asia, and China.

                            They similarities such as Christian moral precepts of more than five centires later, the sanctity of life, compassion for others, rejection of violence, confession and emphasis on charity and the practice of virute. Emperor Ashoka sent missionaries to Syria, Egypt, and Greece possibly setting the stage for Christian teachings. Christian and Buddhist Parallels: monasticism and communal living for spirtual adherents which adhered to the principles of pracitcing poverty and chastitty, early Christian Councils reminciscent in orignazation of Buddhist councils, millsonaries and missons which were first organized and established by Buddhist, all predate the early Christian organizations in the same areas where Christianity was first established such as Antioch.

                            Buddha and Christ were born from a virgin. Numerous parallels in the birth story such as; the palm tree bends down to Mary as the Asoka tree to Yashodara. The Story of Simeon, the accounts of the bright light being almost word for word the same. The Idol bending down to the infant Jesus. The miracle of the sparrows restored to life. Judas Iscariot in the early life attacked Jesus, just as Devadetta, the Judas of Buddhism, attacked Buddha.

                            A violent blow that Jesus received in the lief side made a mark that was destined to be the exact spot that received the mortal spear thrust at the Crucifixion. Thee story of the disputation with the doctors seems copied from the Lalita Vistara. Both Jesus and Buddha were said to have walked on water. Both also brought a disciple out on to the water with them, allowing them to be able to walk based only on their faith in their teacher. Both begin to sink when the doubt. Queen Maya came to bear Buddha after receiving a prophetic dream in which she saw the descent of the Bodhisattva from the Tusita heaven into her womb, in the shape of a small white elephant.

                            Sharing many parallels with the story of Jesus being conceived in connection with the visitation of the Holy Spirit to Mary. The iconography of Mary breastfeeding the child Jesus, unknown to the west until the 5-6th century has also been conneced with the much more ancient iconography of the goddes Hariti, Also breastfeeding her child, and wearing Hellenistic clothes in the Greco-Buddhist art of Gandhara. T.W. Rhys David once said " Lamaism with its shaven priest, its bells and rosaries, its images and holy water, its popes and bishops, its abbots and monks of many grades, its processions and feast days, its confessional and purgatory, its worship of the double Virgin, so strong resembles Roamanism that the first Catholic missionaries thought it must be an imitation by the devil of the religion of Christ."

                            Rosaries spread from India to Western Europe during the Crusades via its Muslim version, the tasbih. A form of prayer rope appears to have been used in Eastern Christendom much earlier; so, it is argued the Muslim tasbih may originate from a Christian source. Both have 33 beads corresponding to the years of Christ's life. Prayer with Palms touching on another, the Anjali Mudra, is a common form of greeting and prayer gesture in all Indian spiritual traditions, including the Buddhist.

                            It is absent in Jewish traditions who scriptures specify raised or clasped hands. Prayer with palms touching one another is, however, depicted in Christian art from the middle ages onward. These are but a few religions and examples.

                            I can digress all day if I wanted to. The point is that your connotation that Egyptians and Christian's are different only proves your lack of historical knowledge on the subject. As far as the ten commandments dictating morality, the other rules and laws that exist within the Old Testament have little to do with morality and more to do with functioning of day to day life. I can't untie the Bible and it's followers, they are one in the same, and as long as the Bible is read as a factual element then it's followers will always delay scientific inquiry and advancement of humanity.

                            The fact you said that few Christian's are superstitious is insane! Why would anyone follow the writings in a book from the Middle East if not for superstition? You have to telepathically accept your lord and savior and allow him a place in your heart, any of your transgressions must be brought in prayer a telepathic form of communication with a god, if you fail to accept him you will burn in hell, you must have your faith in Christ's publicly displayed by baptism, you consume the Bread and Wine as Flesh and Blood of your dead and revived god, you teach the trinity or that three people are actually one, and more than anything you believe that when a Christian dies their soul will rise to heaven to live for eternity with all your other followers.

                            Now how is that not superstition? Superstition was what allowed the Church to teach the Earth was flat and the center of the universe. Birth Control is a major no-no to practicing Catholics, and don't even say they aren't Christian because without them other denominations wouldn't exist, the pope denounces condoms and hormonal control saying that withdrawal is the only acceptable way.

                            You ever wondered why that was? Maybe it's because in order for a religion to continue to exist it must have followers, and the best way to increase your follower base is have your followers produce many children. It's easier for a convert to produce a child and they by default are a practitioner of that religion, than to run around and shove it down other peoples throat. As for your comment about the world's greatest men believing in God, whom are you referring to?

                            Most, if not all, the greatest scientist were agnostic not Christian. I am not saying that those who believe in God are unfit, I am saying those that let it control their life and make decisions based of what they think their God would want are unfit. WWJD is the biggest load of shit I have ever heard.
                            What is painfully obvious is that nothing here represents anything you believe. It's what you want to believe. That being said, if you would actually care to discuss any one or two things, bold them and I will address. Be sure to let Celt edit them first so I can make head or tails of it.
                            "I'm tired of always being right. It gives me an unfair advantage when I debate Alemannic German speaking trolls."

                            Comment


                            • Originally posted by Mike Arnold View Post
                              I did not read anything beynd my last comment because most of it was not even applicable to what we consider to be christianity. Most of what you said was shit and far off track...as I started to show, before burning out at the end. Sorry, but taking 1000 bits and pieces from 100 different religions, which are anywhere from partially similar to vaguely similar....and then saying this is where christianity derived it's religion....LOL. You can do that with any religion and I stand 100% behind my original post.
                              If that is the case then explain to me the roots of Zoroastrianism... Where did it derive it's teachings from?
                              Can't spell strength without tren.

                              Comment


                              • Originally posted by Corrupt Nexus View Post
                                If that is the case then explain to me the roots of Zoroastrianism... Where did it derive it's teachings from?
                                Yeah Mike, jump through his hoops, as if that will win you an argument.
                                "I'm tired of always being right. It gives me an unfair advantage when I debate Alemannic German speaking trolls."

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X