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  • #76
    Originally posted by RockyIII View Post
    OT and NT do not negate each other...sin is sin in both testaments
    Yep - God's sins are much more toned down in the new testament. The pendulum swung from needing fear to rule the masses to trying a mix of fear and compassion.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by RockyIII View Post
      God
      Nope

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      • #78
        Originally posted by RockyIII View Post
        God
        Yaweh was apparently considered to be one source. Here is an interesting thread:
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        The Christian "Old Testament" is the Hebrew Tanakh, a an acronym formed from the titles of its three sections: the Torah (the Law), the Nev'im (the Prophets) and the Ketuvim (the Writings).


        The Torah is the first five books of the Bible (also known to scholars as "the Pentateuch": Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy) and has been central to the Jewish faith (in some form) since at least the 7th century BC. Originally assumed to have been authored by Moses, scholars now acknowledge that the Torah is a composite work that has been artfully stitched together - perhaps by a single "editor" - from a wide range of pre-existing sources. This is known as the Documentary Hypothesis and it is one of the most interesting (and controversial) areas of Old Testament study.

        Although many scholars hold different opinions of the exact nature of the material used for the composition of the Torah, most now acknowledge four key sources: the Yawhist (or "J") source, the Elohist (or "E") source, the Priestly (or "P") source and the Deuteronomist (or "D") source (often divided further into "Dtr1" and "Dtr2"). These sources may have once stood as independent texts, but were later merged together into the unified work that we find today. Evidence for the DH can often rely on rather technical analyses of the original Hebrew texts (which are beyond my expertise to relay) but it includes things like the repetition of stories (sometimes with different theological emphases), narrative breaks (see Noah's Ark below), differences in language and terminology employed (such as the name of God - Yahweh in J, Elohim in E, hence the names) and other stylistic / theological discrepancies which are otherwise difficult to explain without assuming multiple authorship.

        I think that the best and most striking example of DH analysis is the one performed by Richard Friedman on the Noah's ark story. At first glance, the story throws up some obvious inconsitencies: in some passages (Gen 7:4,12,27; 8:6 etc.) it is indicated that the flood lasted for 40 days and 40 nights, but in other passages (Gen 7:24; 8:3b,5,13,14 etc.) that it lasted for much longer. Genesis 7:2-3 indicates that 7 pairs of each clean animal and 1 pair of each unclean animal should be taken aboard the ark, but later it is indicated that it is to be only one pair of every kind of animal is to be taken (Gen 7:8-9,15). In Genesis 8:7 Noah releases a raven to "test the waters" so to speak, but in 8:8-12 he is depicted as releasing three doves: what gives?

        Friedman's solution is that the present Biblical account is actually the conflation of two independant flood accounts, one penned by the J Source, the other by the P Source. He demostrates which passages belong to which source in this book, which I have included scans of below. Here, the J source is in green and the P source is in blue:

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        • #79
          Originally posted by sargent View Post
          Jesus never brought a new religion. The term christian did not exist in his lifetime.



          False. Xtians know that the Bible is a collection of stories and historical stories written by humans.

          Bingo!!!
          “War is peace.
          Freedom is slavery.
          Ignorance is strength.”
          ― George Orwell

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          • #80
            Originally posted by the celt
            Who wrote the New testament




            Originally posted by sargent
            Many People and there were additions and edits and changes.

            I presume your question is rhetorical? Why?



            Originally posted by ROCKYIII
            God


            Its like fishing with a shotgun in a barrel......
            “War is peace.
            Freedom is slavery.
            Ignorance is strength.”
            ― George Orwell

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            • #81
              Old testament god was like Sonny from "A Bronx Tale".

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              • #82
                what happened is that people started to follow the Law without truly understanding the heart of God and the true meaning behind the Law. The Pharisees are a clear example, as they were all about following the laws of God yet had no true relationship with God and didnt really understand what the meaning behind those laws were
                I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by Me.
                JESUS THE CHRIST

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                • #83
                  ^Same old bullshit, pretending to know, not understand but know, the mind of people who lived 2000 years ago, and a god, who supposedly is infinite and omnipotent.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by lou0178 View Post
                    ^Same old bullshit, pretending to know, not understand but know, the mind of people who lived 2000 years ago, and a god, who supposedly is infinite and omnipotent.
                    actually the majority of people back 2000 years ago were just like you. Only believed in what they saw, and measured their worth by money, fame, and outward appearance
                    I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by Me.
                    JESUS THE CHRIST

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by RockyIII View Post
                      actually the majority of people back 2000 years ago were just like you. Only believed in what they saw, and measured their worth by money, fame, and outward appearance
                      neither do you know me or what I think....keep assuming though. assume your way through life.....

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                      • #86
                        As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.
                        “War is peace.
                        Freedom is slavery.
                        Ignorance is strength.”
                        ― George Orwell

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by lou0178 View Post
                          neither do you know me or what I think....keep assuming though. assume your way through life.....
                          you are talking in the flesh
                          I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by Me.
                          JESUS THE CHRIST

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by RockyIII View Post
                            you are talking in the flesh
                            wtf, weirdo, I feel sorry for you.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by lou0178 View Post
                              wtf, weirdo, I feel sorry for you.
                              RockyIII does not be tallin' from his flesh, i thx u very much, Mr. Lou!
                              MY KING OF KINGS

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                              • #90
                                The parable of those who spend
                                of their substance in the way of Allah
                                is that of a grain of corn:
                                It grows seven ears, and each ear has a hundred grains.
                                Allah gives manifold increase to whom He pleases;
                                And Allah cares for all and He knows all things.
                                Quran (2:261)
                                “War is peace.
                                Freedom is slavery.
                                Ignorance is strength.”
                                ― George Orwell

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