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    Saudi man dies after chase by religious police

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    JEDDAH, Saudi Arabia (Reuters) - A Saudi man was killed and his wife and two children were injured when their car crashed off a bridge while being pursued by religious police in the conservative Islamic kingdom, a spokesman for the religious police said on Monday.
    In Saudi Arabia, a monarchy that follows a strict version of Sunni Islam, the religious police patrol the streets to enforce gender segregation and ensure the public behave in accordance with their strict Islamic teachings.

    Formally known as the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (CPVPV), religious police officers arrest those who do not comply with their rules. In March the commission's head banned car pursuits which had led to several fatal accidents.

    Family members told Saudi Arabia's al-Watan newspaper that the chase began when a CPVPV officer confronted Abdulrahman Ahmed al-Ghamdi, 35, and his family while he was returning home from an amusement park in the southern province of al-Baha. They said the loud volume of Ghamdi's car radio prompted the confrontation.

    The car sped off, police in pursuit, and crashed over a bridge, killing Ghamdi. His nine year-old son is in a coma and his wife had her arm amputated as a result of the accident, al-Watan reported. His younger daughter, 4, was in stable condition in hospital.
    Nasser al-Zahrani, a spokesman for the CPVPV in al-Baha confirmed the report. "There is a committee set up and an investigation ongoing to look into the incident," he said.

    Sheikh Abdulatif Al al-Sheikh, the head the CPVPV, was quoted in the local al-Watan newspaper commenting on the incident. "I have expressed my sadness and regret to the (al-Baha governor) and we hope that he will forward the case to the appropriate department for investigation."
    The religious police have been trying to soften their image after gaining the reputation of being aggressive following several fatal accidents, prompting criticism at home and abroad. The decision to ban car chases was not widely accepted by all members of the religious police.

    In January King Abdullah replaced the head of the religious police, Sheikh Abdulaziz al-Humain, with Al al-Sheikh, who swiftly banned the activities of "volunteers" who take it on themselves to chase or detain presumed sharia violators.
    (Reporting by Asma Alsharif; editing by Sami Aboudi and Ralph Boulton)
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    Deaths lead police to question high-speed chase policies
    Updated 4/23/2010 3:52 AM
    Enlarge By Eva Russo, Richmond Times Dispatch
    The Churchill community in Richmond, Va., gathers during a tribute for pastor Apostle Anthony L. Taylor (seen in the photo) on March 30. Taylor was killed when his vehicle was hit during a police chase.

    DEADLY PURSUIT


    By Larry Copeland, USA TODAY


    Innocent bystanders account for one-third of those who are killed in high-speed police chases, a USA TODAY review has found. The deaths have several communities around the USA wrestling with whether to restrict pursuits only to suspects in violent crimes.


    About 360 people are killed each year in police chases, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.


    Proponents of more restrictive chase policies say the fatality numbers are lower than the real toll because there is no mandatory reporting system for deaths in pursuits.



    VIDEO: Police chase ends in crash
    TINY CAMERAS: The future in police work

    VERIFICATION: Police partner with license plate readers



    Geoffrey Alpert, a professor of criminology at the University of South Carolina who has studied police pursuits since the 1980s, says the actual number of fatalities is "three or four times higher." Another complicating factor: bystanders killed after police stop chasing suspects — even seconds afterward — are not counted.


    About 35%-40% of all police chases end in crashes, Alpert says. He says the nation's 17,000 police departments are moving toward more restrictive chase policies "because chasing someone for a traffic offense or a property offense is not worth the risk of people's lives and well-being."


    Although police chases are dangerous, police who allow suspects to flee run the risk that offenders will do even greater harm to citizens, says Michael Crivello, president of the Milwaukee Police Association and a city police detective.


    "They're fleeing because they may be wanted for sexual assaults, shootings, homicides," he says. "There are pursuits that are successfully concluded all the time, but you never hear about those."


    Milwaukee changed its policy on pursuits last month after four people were killed by drivers fleeing police in three separate incidents in a two-month period. Police there now must have probable cause that a violent felony has occurred instead of reasonable suspicion before initiating a chase.


    Crivello says the change demoralized officers. "They feel as though they are minimized as professionals, because they are able to make the proper decision relative to a chase," he says.


    Victim can't 'be replaced'



    When he was killed by a driver fleeing police last month, Apostle Anthony Taylor had just left the church he had led in the Churchill section of Richmond, Va., for nearly two decades.

    Taylor, 44, was a vital cog in the community, working to deter young men from lives of crime, advocating for public education and providing cheap meals for senior citizens, say those who knew him.


    "The loss to this community, based on his contributions, will never be replaced," says Virginia state Delegate Delores McQuinn, a Democrat who lives about two blocks from Taylor's church and knew him for 18 years. "We lost a humanitarian, a visionary leader, a rising star, not only in the church but in the community."


    Taylor was killed when his pickup was hit broadside by a man fleeing police in neighboring Henrico County. Authorities say police chased the man after he sped off when an officer approached him at a checkpoint.


    Henrico County's pursuit policy is less restrictive than Richmond's. Richmond Mayor Dwight Jones has called a summit of the region's police departments for early May to work out procedures for handling police pursuits that cross into other jurisdictions that may have different chase policies.

    Already, Richmond-area police are making changes, Jones says. "We found out that the radio equipment we were using was not universal," he says. "Even if we wanted to be in contact, we could not have been. We are changing out equipment. And we already have … an agreement for notification so that if (another police agency) sets up a checkpoint within a mile of our boundary, they're going to notify us."


    "The sad thing is when departments make changes, it's usually after something bad happens, and the public wakes up and says, 'What's going on here?' " says John Phillips, head of PursuitWatch.org, a non-profit group advocating safe police chases. Phillips' sister, Sarah, 20, was a bystander killed in a police chase in Orange County, Fla., in 2001.

    Trying to save lives


    Restrictive chase policies save lives, says professor Alpert. He reported in a National Institute of Justice research paper that police chases in Miami-Dade County dropped from 279 a year to 51 after the department implemented a more restrictive policy.
    "These police chases through our streets are killing innocent people," says Candy Priano of Chico, Calif., executive director of the non-profit group Voices Insisting on Pursuit Safety, which she founded in 2002 after her daughter, Kristie, 15, was killed as a bystander in a police chase.


    Michigan state Rep. Bert Johnson, a Detroit Democrat, is pushing to place restrictions on chases, including the conditions under which they can occur and the number of police vehicles that can participate. "We see high-speed pursuits as a bullet with four wheels," says Ron Scott, spokesman for the Detroit Coalition Against Police Brutality, which supports the legislation.
    By contrast, St. Petersburg, Fla., this month loosened its policies to allow police to chase those suspected of "forcible felonies" in addition to "violent felonies," says Maj. Michael Puetz. "It's a tweak of the policy to let us go ahead and pursue burglary suspects," he says. "It's still a restrictive policy."
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    Religious police!? Wow....
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    Religious police!? Wow....
    What does god pay them with, besides virgins?

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    What does god pay them with, besides virgins?
    Aliens are terrified of us not because of our superior intellect or technology, but our stupidity and resistence to growth.

    2012 and so many people still have a 'cave man' out look on the world....
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    It's ok bc Saudi Arabia is one of our allies. Islamic fundamentalists only reside in countries like Afghanistan, Iran, and Iraq. That is why we bring democracy to them and make their world a better place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HERCULES1X View Post
    Deaths lead police to question high-speed chase policies
    Updated 4/23/2010 3:52 AM
    Enlarge By Eva Russo, Richmond Times Dispatch
    The Churchill community in Richmond, Va., gathers during a tribute for pastor Apostle Anthony L. Taylor (seen in the photo) on March 30. Taylor was killed when his vehicle was hit during a police chase.

    DEADLY PURSUIT


    By Larry Copeland, USA TODAY


    Innocent bystanders account for one-third of those who are killed in high-speed police chases, a USA TODAY review has found. The deaths have several communities around the USA wrestling with whether to restrict pursuits only to suspects in violent crimes.


    About 360 people are killed each year in police chases, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.


    Proponents of more restrictive chase policies say the fatality numbers are lower than the real toll because there is no mandatory reporting system for deaths in pursuits.



    VIDEO: Police chase ends in crash
    TINY CAMERAS: The future in police work

    VERIFICATION: Police partner with license plate readers



    Geoffrey Alpert, a professor of criminology at the University of South Carolina who has studied police pursuits since the 1980s, says the actual number of fatalities is "three or four times higher." Another complicating factor: bystanders killed after police stop chasing suspects — even seconds afterward — are not counted.


    About 35%-40% of all police chases end in crashes, Alpert says. He says the nation's 17,000 police departments are moving toward more restrictive chase policies "because chasing someone for a traffic offense or a property offense is not worth the risk of people's lives and well-being."


    Although police chases are dangerous, police who allow suspects to flee run the risk that offenders will do even greater harm to citizens, says Michael Crivello, president of the Milwaukee Police Association and a city police detective.


    "They're fleeing because they may be wanted for sexual assaults, shootings, homicides," he says. "There are pursuits that are successfully concluded all the time, but you never hear about those."


    Milwaukee changed its policy on pursuits last month after four people were killed by drivers fleeing police in three separate incidents in a two-month period. Police there now must have probable cause that a violent felony has occurred instead of reasonable suspicion before initiating a chase.


    Crivello says the change demoralized officers. "They feel as though they are minimized as professionals, because they are able to make the proper decision relative to a chase," he says.


    Victim can't 'be replaced'



    When he was killed by a driver fleeing police last month, Apostle Anthony Taylor had just left the church he had led in the Churchill section of Richmond, Va., for nearly two decades.

    Taylor, 44, was a vital cog in the community, working to deter young men from lives of crime, advocating for public education and providing cheap meals for senior citizens, say those who knew him.


    "The loss to this community, based on his contributions, will never be replaced," says Virginia state Delegate Delores McQuinn, a Democrat who lives about two blocks from Taylor's church and knew him for 18 years. "We lost a humanitarian, a visionary leader, a rising star, not only in the church but in the community."


    Taylor was killed when his pickup was hit broadside by a man fleeing police in neighboring Henrico County. Authorities say police chased the man after he sped off when an officer approached him at a checkpoint.


    Henrico County's pursuit policy is less restrictive than Richmond's. Richmond Mayor Dwight Jones has called a summit of the region's police departments for early May to work out procedures for handling police pursuits that cross into other jurisdictions that may have different chase policies.

    Already, Richmond-area police are making changes, Jones says. "We found out that the radio equipment we were using was not universal," he says. "Even if we wanted to be in contact, we could not have been. We are changing out equipment. And we already have … an agreement for notification so that if (another police agency) sets up a checkpoint within a mile of our boundary, they're going to notify us."


    "The sad thing is when departments make changes, it's usually after something bad happens, and the public wakes up and says, 'What's going on here?' " says John Phillips, head of PursuitWatch.org, a non-profit group advocating safe police chases. Phillips' sister, Sarah, 20, was a bystander killed in a police chase in Orange County, Fla., in 2001.

    Trying to save lives


    Restrictive chase policies save lives, says professor Alpert. He reported in a National Institute of Justice research paper that police chases in Miami-Dade County dropped from 279 a year to 51 after the department implemented a more restrictive policy.
    "These police chases through our streets are killing innocent people," says Candy Priano of Chico, Calif., executive director of the non-profit group Voices Insisting on Pursuit Safety, which she founded in 2002 after her daughter, Kristie, 15, was killed as a bystander in a police chase.


    Michigan state Rep. Bert Johnson, a Detroit Democrat, is pushing to place restrictions on chases, including the conditions under which they can occur and the number of police vehicles that can participate. "We see high-speed pursuits as a bullet with four wheels," says Ron Scott, spokesman for the Detroit Coalition Against Police Brutality, which supports the legislation.
    By contrast, St. Petersburg, Fla., this month loosened its policies to allow police to chase those suspected of "forcible felonies" in addition to "violent felonies," says Maj. Michael Puetz. "It's a tweak of the policy to let us go ahead and pursue burglary suspects," he says. "It's still a restrictive policy."
    Thank you for this totally unrelated article....
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    Freedom is slavery.
    Ignorance is strength.”
    ― George Orwell

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