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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacrifice Without Regrets View Post
    Peter, what's your take on the elimination of WBB?
    I have much respect for the dedication the women bodybuilders show and (not that its important) they’re usually friendlier and more easy-going than the men at contest time. But the bottom line is the Ms. International is a pro contest and that equates to having a professional and fiscally disciplined business model in place. The blunt truth is a women’s pro bodybuilding contest staged on its own would be a financial disaster in drawing sponsors and paying fans. It just doesn’t have the fan base to make such a contest viable. The Ms. International is staged in conjunction with the Arnold Classic which has a 4,000 sell out auditorium every year – but I would guess only a few hundred at most are there mainly to see the women. That lack of a paying fan base is why female bodybuilders have disappeared from the magazines. It isn’t a bias against female bodybuilders that is keeping them out of the mags. The publishers know it’s not what their audience want and there are not enough of those who do want it to move the sales needle. Having said all that I can’t help but feel somewhat sad for the competitors at this development.

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    I "GET" the women BB....."BUT" the male hormone morph does make it unique and evident that more than extremly dedicated work has gone into these amazing bodies. I think it's bad ass but not a fan. I do think womens physique is where its at DLB all day!

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    The fan base of any divisions other than Men's BB could possibly be from competitors' friends and families. The difference between WBB and all other divisions is the significantly fewer competitors, which could only draw that many friends and families to shows. At the same time, supplies of Bikini and MPD competitors are almost exponentially growing. Even if their fan base only consists of competitors' families and friends, amateur and pro shows still can generate a huge payout from it.

    The demolishing of WBB was foreseeable and expected, but unexpected part was who decided to take the first step on cutting out this division. I anticipated it would first start from amateur (NPC) then eventually to pro circuit (IFBB). This move by the Arnold Classic certainly is a sign of the increase in pace of the demolishing of WBB.



    Quote Originally Posted by Peter McGough View Post
    I have much respect for the dedication the women bodybuilders show and (not that its important) they’re usually friendlier and more easy-going than the men at contest time. But the bottom line is the Ms. International is a pro contest and that equates to having a professional and fiscally disciplined business model in place. The blunt truth is a women’s pro bodybuilding contest staged on its own would be a financial disaster in drawing sponsors and paying fans. It just doesn’t have the fan base to make such a contest viable. The Ms. International is staged in conjunction with the Arnold Classic which has a 4,000 sell out auditorium every year – but I would guess only a few hundred at most are there mainly to see the women. That lack of a paying fan base is why female bodybuilders have disappeared from the magazines. It isn’t a bias against female bodybuilders that is keeping them out of the mags. The publishers know it’s not what their audience want and there are not enough of those who do want it to move the sales needle. Having said all that I can’t help but feel somewhat sad for the competitors at this development.

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    Peter,
    A good idea for you to write an article about. The birth and death of women's bodybuilding.
    1. Is women's bodybuilding dead or is it simply rebranded (reborn) as women's physique.
    2. Who is responsible for not being able to keep women's bodybuilding from "outgrowing" it's own definitions.
    3. Did judges, sponsors or competitors bring about the death.
    4. What measures are in place to prevent the exact same fate occurring with Women's physique? Is it inevitable?

    I would hazard a guess that both men's and women's physique competitors are more in line with current societal likes. The bodybuilders men AND women were simply examples of insane human development.

    Should the Ms International continue it's run but with title given to women's physique. Or continue it as bodybuilding because the ASC has every other sport occurring, maybe just a different time or stage.

    How do the early Ms International winners compare physically to the top tier Women's Physique competitors?

    Can anyone create a photo montage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Harris View Post
    I can already see Arnold doing his winner's interview on stage with Jose.
    After they bring out 7 phone books for Jose to stand on.

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    Jose needs to perfect some Franco poses to use in winner's circle with Arnold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn Ray View Post
    Overall Prize Money Breakdown for 212- $20,000 at stake!


    Strength & Honor!
    Breaking News!!!!!!!!!

    For new 212 Show:

    1st Place Prize Money- $20-$25K

    Overall Purse- $50-$55K




    Strength & Honor!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adina Zanolli View Post
    212 is taking it's place. FBB will not be part of the 2014 Arnold Classic.
    No Arnold for me......

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    WBB is dead. I am willing to bet that within the next two years they will drop it from the Olympia. Its not like Mens Figure is popular with fans but its being pushed down our throat

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    212 is great news not missing the Arnold Ever again!

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    I will say that that show will be LOADED!!!!!

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    http://www.quiksilver.com/family/ind...oryId=15706096

    Quote Originally Posted by bigmikecox View Post
    WBB is dead. I am willing to bet that within the next two years they will drop it from the Olympia. Its not like Mens Figure is popular with fans but its being pushed down our throat

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    This is one of the most delayed actions the Arnold organization has taken. The 212 class is often more exciting than the open and the athletes usually have better conditioning and no distended guts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuthnbutfords View Post
    After they bring out 7 phone books for Jose to stand on.
    Yeah, like the average 212 competitor is six foot tall? What a stupid comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter McGough View Post
    I have much respect for the dedication the women bodybuilders show and (not that its important) they’re usually friendlier and more easy-going than the men at contest time. But the bottom line is the Ms. International is a pro contest and that equates to having a professional and fiscally disciplined business model in place. The blunt truth is a women’s pro bodybuilding contest staged on its own would be a financial disaster in drawing sponsors and paying fans. It just doesn’t have the fan base to make such a contest viable. The Ms. International is staged in conjunction with the Arnold Classic which has a 4,000 sell out auditorium every year – but I would guess only a few hundred at most are there mainly to see the women. That lack of a paying fan base is why female bodybuilders have disappeared from the magazines. It isn’t a bias against female bodybuilders that is keeping them out of the mags. The publishers know it’s not what their audience want and there are not enough of those who do want it to move the sales needle. Having said all that I can’t help but feel somewhat sad for the competitors at this development.
    Very well said. It's all about supply and demand. If there really is no demand, it makes no sense to supply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Ness View Post
    This is one of the most delayed actions the Arnold organization has taken. The 212 class is often more exciting than the open and the athletes usually have better conditioning and no distended guts.
    Totally agree.

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    Should flex Lewis do the show or is it hard doing Arnold 212 and Olympia 212? Does he need to do it?

    Personally if Jose does the Arnold and wins and then goes to the Olympia 212 then I know I'll be kinda rooting for jose even though I'm a massive flex fan (being from uk). Just because I'll know Jose has put his body through rigorous dieting and training to get to the Olympia. I know flex will have put his body through hell come September.

    Would it be a wise move for flex to do it?
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