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    Quote Originally Posted by wildbill View Post
    Beast I hear you I'm waiting to have my herniation get cortisone injections. Like you ice does nothing for My crushed ulna nerve. My neck is messed u from C2 to t1

    I tried the injections a few times. Nothing worked for me with the discs. Just time. Eventually I think that they reabsorbed and the swelling went down enough. I just get strong pinches in my thoracic area between the shoulder blades. Nothing too bad tho. Just need to back off a few days and it usually goes down. I often train through it as well and try to work around it when possible.

    The hand numbness has been permanent the last 3 years or so

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    Why don't you have any videos of you doing any basic barbell movements?

    Is it because Hammer Strength machines are much easier to load up with weight and bounce off of?

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    I'm having mine fused just as soon as I'm recovered enough from my stem transplant surgery in my right knee Jan 8 th. Talk about a surgery that is wild in sept I had a procedure to fix a large medial meniscus tear and then the my dr extracted the chondrocyte stem cells from an area of the knee that is non weight bearing. Genzyme took them and has gown them to the 30 million that's needed to fix the 2 defects in my articular cartilage. It's a long recovery but it will save my knee and I'll be able to train once it's healed fully. Getting the insurance to approve it has been a real pain the ass. But it all good now

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwontquit View Post
    Why don't you have any videos of you doing any basic barbell movements?

    Is it because Hammer Strength machines are much easier to load up with weight and bounce off of?

    Mainly a result of starting the recording process very late. Incline barbell and flat bench barbell were the foundation of my old chest routines. Most of the foundational work was done with those as the primary lifts for chest. Massive volume to failure. After 19 years of this type of training Ive put in the bulk of my foundational work at this point.

    Since ive made the vids Ive been training around alot of strains, and as a result the training has changed alot. So now that intensity is put into the movements I can do. Freeweight barbells tend to put alot of strain on wrists and for a good lift off require a spotter to get in good position. With the smith machine I get the same effect without having to use spotters and its not as bad on my joints.

    I will likely incorporate some freeweight benching back at some point but since the foundation is in place I find machines work very well for me at this point. Freeweight has become optional for me now. I wouldnt have built my foundation on machines however.

    Explosive,ballistic is my usual style of training but lately alot of the reps are much slower and controlled. So in the videos there is a mix of the two styles.

    Right now I cant really test the limits of my strength due to the weaker links (tendons, ligaments) being much weaker then the muscle. Building is more my focus now. Possibly healing in the process.
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    I can get numbness in my hands, and my arms both falling asleep when im a sleep. Problem for me is a lot of tightness in the lats, once I roll them out on the rumbell roller the numbness goes away. My wife started having numbness in some fingers, and it turned out to be the same problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildbill View Post
    I'm having mine fused just as soon as I'm recovered enough from my stem transplant surgery in my right knee Jan 8 th. Talk about a surgery that is wild in sept I had a procedure to fix a large medial meniscus tear and then the my dr extracted the chondrocyte stem cells from an area of the knee that is non weight bearing. Genzyme took them and has gown them to the 30 million that's needed to fix the 2 defects in my articular cartilage. It's a long recovery but it will save my knee and I'll be able to train once it's healed fully. Getting the insurance to approve it has been a real pain the ass. But it all good now
    Sounds like a bitch brother. When I had to take 2 years off of training and lose everything was the worst for me. The numbness is shitty but im thankful it hasnt stopped my training. I am still growing and getting stronger at this point.

    I know how that shit is when youre just waiting to heal. Major mind fuck but once you come out at the other end your motivation and fire will be insane. Thats how it was for me after 2 years.

    Muscle memory is no joke either. It will come back much quicker, even if you lose it all. For now just roll with that shit and dont stress it. Train upper body and blow the shit up.

    Even when I damaged one side of my body I would do one sided training with machines or dumbbells. So just try to focus on what you can train, and hit that shit with the same intensity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDEGRD View Post
    I can get numbness in my hands, and my arms both falling asleep when im a sleep. Problem for me is a lot of tightness in the lats, once I roll them out on the rumbell roller the numbness goes away. My wife started having numbness in some fingers, and it turned out to be the same problem.
    Same with me in my sleep. The problem is that I have a permanent numbness for about 3 years now, which is constant. Sometimes the numbness and burning causes me to skip sleep. Its more like a fuzzy feeling in the hands. Like the feeling isnt fully there. Its not major yet. Feels shitty though. No atrophy or grip strength losses yet. I still grip as much as I can row without straps or issues. Though the wrists get strained with alot of back work. One big nuissance is knocking shit over and dropping shit frequently.

    It hasnt gotten much worse in the last 3 years and if I take a week off goes back to a base level of numbness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walking Beast View Post
    Same with me in my sleep. The problem is that I have a permanent numbness for about 3 years now, which is constant. Sometimes the numbness and burning causes me to skip sleep. Its more like a fuzzy feeling in the hands. Like the feeling isnt fully there. Its not major yet. Feels shitty though. No atrophy or grip strength losses yet. I still grip as much as I can row without straps or issues. Though the wrists get strained with alot of back work. One big nuissance is knocking shit over and dropping shit frequently.

    It hasnt gotten much worse in the last 3 years and if I take a week off goes back to a base level of numbness.

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    Well it all comes down to is lifting worth it to you. Some guys bodies hold up better than others, look at guys like Ron Harris with multiple surgeries. If you would be more unhappy not lifting with less numbness (for sake of argument) vs lifting with numbness than all the power to you. But I have been lifting like a lunatic for almost 20 years and even I will say to you if your not making a living from this, you may want to think of quality of life, best of luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDEGRD View Post
    Well it all comes down to is lifting worth it to you. Some guys bodies hold up better than others, look at guys like Ron Harris with multiple surgeries. If you would be more unhappy not lifting with less numbness (for sake of argument) vs lifting with numbness than all the power to you. But I have been lifting like a lunatic for almost 20 years and even I will say to you if your not making a living from this, you may want to think of quality of life, best of luck.
    Thanks again for your feedback


    Its more a neccesary evil for me. The vent is the primary reason for the brutal extensive training ive always done. Its the only thing that keeps me stable enough to not completely lose my shit. The alternative to not doing it is much worse, as ive experienced during my 2 year lay off. So I constantly seek ways to adapt, roll through it, and KILL THAT SHIT til my shit is dead. The more information to experiment with, the better however

    Zero interest in plastic trophies, oiling up, getting paid to flex, etc. Those who put thier intensity into that have to validate thier own reasons for doing so. For me its a very different motive. I love the brutal heavy training and I love to grow. I hate everything else about it. I hate eating and training light around injuries, etc. I only enjoy pushing my body to its absolute limits and seeing myself grow. My motives were never to look pretty but to be a disgusting freak from hell. Based on that foundation of motivation and hate, the normal reasoning doesnt interest me at all.

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    Any cracking or loud popping sounds in the wrist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bolsen View Post
    You should try training instead of killing shit.

    Killing is so much more fun though

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    Quote Originally Posted by revived View Post
    Any cracking or loud popping sounds in the wrist?
    Never during training. Atleast that Im aware of. I can crack my right wrist simply by rolling it a few times a day. Left wrist not so much. My left hand is the one that is the most numb, but both have constant numbness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walking Beast View Post
    The injury section gets no views so figured Id post this here.

    For about 3 years now my hands have had a permanent numbness. Also knocking shit over etc. I got nerve scans done. Basically the docs said it can come from 3 places. Neck impingement, carpal tunnel, ulnar nerve.

    It showed as mild nerve irritation and not damage (supposively). The wrist injections did nothing so the doc said surgery would most likely not work.

    My training style has always been excessively brutal. High volume and high intensity together.

    Interested to see if any other lifters have dealt with this for years as well. I get the usual numb arms while sleeping and sometimes pain in sleep. The main issue is permanent numbness. Am wondering if eventually will lose complete feeling in hands. In the last 3 years hasnt gotten that much more numb. Maybe a little worse. More wrist and hand pain though for sure. Its become a major nuissance

    Id be interested to read anyones experiences with this. Training through it and how its progressed mainly

    Havent really lost grip strength. But sometimes if I grip too long the wrist doesnt feel right.

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    WOW Beast, your situation almost sounded like what I had some years ago. I suffered a cervical disc rupture in the C4 C5 area of my spine(Neck) and did it ever cause me trouble. Full blown herniation that occurred in a way that causes the ruptured disk to impinge on my SPINAL CORD. It started out as one of the worst stiff necks ever!!! Soon after a creeping pain developed in my neck and then began traveling down my neck/spine to my shoulders, arms, hands and then finger tips. Before long I had a STINGING pain in my fingers and a ever increasing numbness. Then came the weakness until I got to the point where I could not even hold a gallon of milk without dropping it. The pain/weakness and numbness continued down until it moved into my chest/back and BOTH ARMS. All the while I was going from one doctor to another only to find out these spine specialists/orthopedic doctors really did not know what was going on. I finally met a great NEUROSURGEON and had MRIs/CAT SCANS and X RAYS that showed the SPINAL CORD COMPRESSION. In all of the time it took seeing doctors and trying everything from pain management to physical therapy the pain/numbness and weakness had traveled all the way down to my foot on my right leg and by then I was in complete panic mode. I had to go through a MICRO DISK ECTOMY..essentially removing only the part of the cervical disk that was impinging on my spinal cord. I had to do a lot of studying on herniated discs, spinal cord compressions, herniated discs etc before I brought the issue of NOT wanting to have a full disk removal or worst a BONE FUSION done to my neurosurgeon doctor, due to the complication that can come from those two procedures.

    Since having the micro disk ectomy the pain and numbness are gone and the strength has returned for the most part to all the parts of my body that were effected. The worst effected areas are slowly coming around, but I am glad I researched the matter and especially the doctor before having the surgery. The most important thing for you is to make sure you have a WELL TRAINED VERY EXPERIENCED DOCTOR to perform any surgical procedure. Maybe you can see if you can get a doctor of SPORTS MEDICINE/NEUROSURGEON who works with ATHLETES as they have the best understanding of the desire of the patient to get back to optimum health and back to the weight training they love so much. Also whatever your decision and after you are healed up, make sure you incorporate a extensive STRETCHING ROUTINE into your lifestyle. many injuries occur due to strong/dense ligament/tendons/muscles that grow all the more so when they are not stretched out....increasing the chance of injury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HERCULES1X View Post
    WOW Beast, your situation almost sounded like what I had some years ago. I suffered a cervical disc rupture in the C4 C5 area of my spine(Neck) and did it ever cause me trouble. Full blown herniation that occurred in a way that causes the ruptured disk to impinge on my SPINAL CORD. It started out as one of the worst stiff necks ever!!! Soon after a creeping pain developed in my neck and then began traveling down my neck/spine to my shoulders, arms, hands and then finger tips. Before long I had a STINGING pain in my fingers and a ever increasing numbness. Then came the weakness until I got to the point where I could not even hold a gallon of milk without dropping it. The pain/weakness and numbness continued down until it moved into my chest/back and BOTH ARMS. All the while I was going from one doctor to another only to find out these spine specialists/orthopedic doctors really did not know what was going on. I finally met a great NEUROSURGEON and had MRIs/CAT SCANS and X RAYS that showed the SPINAL CORD COMPRESSION. In all of the time it took seeing doctors and trying everything from pain management to physical therapy the pain/numbness and weakness had traveled all the way down to my foot on my right leg and by then I was in complete panic mode. I had to go through a MICRO DISK ECTOMY..essentially removing only the part of the cervical disk that was impinging on my spinal cord. I had to do a lot of studying on herniated discs, spinal cord compressions, herniated discs etc before I brought the issue of NOT wanting to have a full disk removal or worst a BONE FUSION done to my neurosurgeon doctor, due to the complication that can come from those two procedures.

    Since having the micro disk ectomy the pain and numbness are gone and the strength has returned for the most part to all the parts of my body that were effected. The worst effected areas are slowly coming around, but I am glad I researched the matter and especially the doctor before having the surgery. The most important thing for you is to make sure you have a WELL TRAINED VERY EXPERIENCED DOCTOR to perform any surgical procedure. Maybe you can see if you can get a doctor of SPORTS MEDICINE/NEUROSURGEON who works with ATHLETES as they have the best understanding of the desire of the patient to get back to optimum health and back to the weight training they love so much. Also whatever your decision and after you are healed up, make sure you incorporate a extensive STRETCHING ROUTINE into your lifestyle. many injuries occur due to strong/dense ligament/tendons/muscles that grow all the more so when they are not stretched out....increasing the chance of injury.
    Excellent feedback. Appreciate that shit brother. Its good to see that you were able to come out of that. How many years did you have hand numbness for? Ive had mine for about 3. Since Ive really noticed it I mean. Im sure it creeped up gradually.

    I ask because my concern was that the nerves will just die if the signal is not getting through fully. I didnt want to lose full hand function or feeling eventually. After the nerve scans no one has much of a fucking clue. The latest diagnosis was mild nerve irritation and no damage. This was tested a few years ago. Its not much worse now. My herniations are all small from what Ive been told. So they didnt think it was coming from that source.

    My neck and entire back are prone to full time stiffness as well. Just making my movement and turning more rigid, but Im used to it. Occasionally i get bad enough back strains or neck strains where I take a few days off. Nothing severe. I used to get severe back and neck strains when I first injured myself with the ruptured disks. Before the 2 year lay off.

    I get alot of itching in my hands and wrists, tightness and some arthritic type pain. Sometimes sharp when using the hands. Not all the time with the pain. I knock shit down all the time though. Its like operating a fucking mechanical hand. I have to be very aware when I grab something. Once my grip is established Im fine. So far. I take my training day by day but I try to keep my mind open to how things may progress and develop so I can be prepared for it. If it stays like this it would be managable but I never expect that.

    When I first ruptured the first two disks the therapist told me my days were numbered and that lifting was done. So I use doctors as tools to gain more information. My expectations are very low. Never got clear answers.

    Maybe I should look more into stretching. Ive never done any advanced forms of stretching. I warm up and do basic chest stretches and back stretches between some sets. Thats about it.

    The chiropractor suggested that my wrist tendons may have grown too thick from heavy lifting and cut off the nerves somewhat. I got a similiar suggestion with my throat constricting. That the neck got too thick. So I dont know how valid that is.

    The final diagnosis ended up being mild carpal tunnel. But they didnt even see much of any signal on the tests and wanted to dismiss it. If the issue is relieved I wondered if feeling would return fully to the hands, as Ive not felt that in years. Not sure how long til the nerves die or if its been long enough

    I got these Inzer Z wrist wraps the other day. I loaded up 420 on smith machine and today I have no increased wrist pain or tightness, numbness. THis is my first time using real wraps for the wrists. So this may help the situation from getting much worse

    Really appreciate the detailed feedback

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    I had carpal tunnel 8 years ago and went through a surgery..

    What I learned those days is that the numbness at the hands can be a result of a nerve or muscle problem at the back or traps

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solomon cane View Post
    I had carpal tunnel 8 years ago and went through a surgery..

    What I learned those days is that the numbness at the hands can be a result of a nerve or muscle problem at the back or traps
    How did the surgery work out for you? Did it relieve your numbness issue? I never went through with surgery because after I got the wrist injections they told me that surgery would be ineffective most likely. Since the injections had no result.

    I figure it can be a combination or any of the three main areas that cause nerve issues in the hands (numbness). Neck impingement, ulnar nerve in elbow or a pinch in the neck. Im sure the back and traps factor into that upper neck area as well.

    Appreciate the feedback


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