The Creatine & Coffee Effect: A Potent Double Whammy to Boost Muscle Gains

[Nate]

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The Creatine & Coffee Effect

[IRON DWARF]

Right here is your creatine & coffee effect!

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[CanadianBeef]

[QUOTE=IRON DWARF;3826457]Right here is your creatine & coffee effect!

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[JourneyofIrve]

Ever had a pre-workout and coffee?!? Clears you out is an understatement!!!

Right here is your creatine & coffee effect!

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[Canis]

Ever had a pre-workout and coffee?!? Clears you out is an understatement!!!

Well i once mixed (for fun) one scoop of HBlocker(from isatori best pre workout ever) with one scoop of monster pump. I took a 3 hour shit after the gym that day...

[Beti ona]

Although the simultaneous consumption of creatine with caffeine for extended periods of time negates the performance-enhancing influence of creatine on muscle strength, a more recent study by Lee et al.17 indicates that creatine supplementation without caffeine (approximately 30 grams of creatine per day) for five days followed by a relatively high dose of caffeine (approximately 600 milligrams of caffeine) one hour before exercise drastically improved muscular power output during high-intensity exercise.

Shit

So could alternate dose of creatine and caffeine weekly?

[CanadianBeef]

But seriously though, 600 mg of caffeine broader workout? That's just retarded

[IRON DWARF]

But seriously though, 600 mg of caffeine broader workout? That's just retarded

My heart would be palpitating all over the place!

[Beti ona]

But seriously though, 600 mg of caffeine broader workout? That's just retarded

Think about it, you can train four days straight without sleep.

[CanadianBeef]

Even 200mg is more than enough

[Beti ona]

Even 200mg is more than enough

If you sleep well do not need more than 100-150 mg. If you sleep poorly will use more amount to train well but after not going to sleep and feed the vicious circle.

[Canis]

If i take 300mg of caffeine pre workout my heart pounds like crazy, I have to take a break in the middle of my workout. 150-200mg is ideal WHEN i need it.

[majrminer]

Bogus. It's been shown creatine's benefit is minimized with any consumption of caffeine. I don't care how you shake the story. If you want to maximize creatine's benefit, you focus on non-caffeinated drinks.

But don't take my word for it. Maybe someone out there sees an abnormal benefit from caffeine + creatine. Doesn't work for me.

[Canis]

Bogus. It's been shown creatine's benefit is minimized with any consumption of caffeine. I don't care how you shake the story. If you want to maximize creatine's benefit, you focus on non-caffeinated drinks.

But don't take my word for it. Maybe someone out there sees an abnormal benefit from caffeine + creatine. Doesn't work for me.

Doesn't really matter what I do use shit loads of caffeine or not Creatine works VERY well for me, i always gain couple of pounds in 2 weeks and strength goes up. I take 20gr a day though, and only use caffeine pre workout when i feel like i need it. some days at work i drink like 10 cups of coffee doesn't seem to affect the power i feel i get from creatine

[majrminer]

Doesn't really matter what I do use shit loads of caffeine or not Creatine works VERY well for me, i always gain couple of pounds in 2 weeks and strength goes up. I take 20gr a day though, and only use caffeine pre workout when i feel like i need it. some days at work i drink like 10 cups of coffee doesn't seem to affect the power i feel i get from creatine

Lucky. Imagine how good your results would be without caffeine. This is from John Kiefer:

How should you plan your timing, then? Well, ingesting creatine with large amounts of carbohydrates can actually increase retention of creatine within muscles[49-52]. Although there hasn’t yet been heavy research on this, it’s believed to have something to do with an interaction with insulin[52].

Although I think researchers are on the right track here, I actually think it has more to do with an interaction with GLUT4, which I’ll get to in a moment. Suffice it to say, for now, that with Carb Back-Loading, the best time to ingest creatine would be immediately post-training, with carbs. You can divide this dose, but if you’re using creatine monohydrate, it’s also possible that one large load can do the job.


Avoid taking creatine with caffeine, because in the absence of carbs, it can actually prevent a rise in intracellular creatine levels[53-54]. Again, this may have something to do with GLUT4 transporters, since caffeine can prevent GLUT4 activation. Anything that increases GLUT4 content and translocation (carbs and resistance training) will improve the results of supplementation, and anything that doesn’t (caffeine and endurance training) will negate the effects.


Don’t take creatine with coffee. Do take it with training and/or carbs. Otherwise, take it however you’d like. Just make sure you take enough.

You're all welcome. That's from 2013, not 1999 like the rest of the bullshit creatine info out there.

[Canis]

Lucky. Imagine how good your results would be without caffeine. This is from John Kiefer:



You're all welcome. That's from 2013, not 1999 like the rest of the bullshit creatine info out there.

i have taken creatine without touching caffeine and i can't see a difference. but maybe that's just me. I do believe though that for most people creatine will work alot better if you stay away from caffeine

[tjoe]

I have worked with a couple guys that swear by creatine and it really did seem to work very well for both of them.
One is a natty guy and the other is on 500mg/wk (test e). Surprising to me was the guy on test. He feels better and fuller when taking creatine.
I think it's one of those things that may act differently with different people.