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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard View Post
    This is yet another reason why I place Lee above all other Mr Olympia winners ( even Arnold).
    I love how he wrote that bodybuilders today are lazy and want to "abdicate" all responsibility for their conditioning to a guru!

    Every time someone talks about competing in anything from bikini to bodybuilding, they quickly get asked ;
    " Who is doing your diet? "
    It reminds me of Academy Awards night where they ask the stars ; " Who, are you wearing?"

    Has it become so hard to diet now, that you need a special guru? WTF
    So true!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyk View Post
    I dont think I could prep myself Im too weak.
    Of course you could. I have nothing against prep coaches and I will use one eventually, but before prep coaches we HAD to prep ourselves. We had people that would give us a good look but you came up with your own game plan
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigoso View Post
    Everyone talks about conditioning of the 90's. I can agree there were more guys in better shape in a given line up and more consistent. I would argue however that the most conditioned guys now are more conditioned than guys in the 90's


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    Quote Originally Posted by bigoso View Post
    Everyone talks about conditioning of the 90's. I can agree there were more guys in better shape in a given line up and more consistent. I would argue however that the most conditioned guys now are more conditioned than guys in the 90's


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    The top 4 guys at this yrs Olympia were close and looked great.
    BUT, in most contests, the quality and conditioning of the ENTIRE line up was better in the 1990's.
    I saw a star, reached for it...and MISSED

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    A LOT of guys don't come in crisp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Harris View Post
    Lifepulse, good points. I never had a guru and was pretty consistently in great shape (I am aware my mass and shape are nothing special). But I wasn't using slin, GH, or peptides, just the other stuff. Maybe it's those 3 items in particular that are the issue with making it so tough to peak?
    In my humble opinion, most competitors today make contest prep a lot MORE complicated then
    it needs to be.

    It amazes how some try to use every new prep drug and supplement a guru raves about.

    1. Stick with the exercises /sets/reps, diet foods , supplements and drugs that really work for you.

    2. Don't experiment too much on some magical peaking regime.
    Most look worse in the desperate pursuit of a few extra %.

    3. In most cases, you did NOT miss your peak.
    You simply got beat by better competitors or you needed to diet longer and harder.
    It's NOT holding water, it's called FAT.
    I saw a star, reached for it...and MISSED

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    Social media and fake photos are also something that guys of the 90s did not have.

    If you want to look like the guys in the past, you must act with the mentality of the guys in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beti ona View Post
    Social media and fake photos are also something that guys of the 90s did not have.

    If you want to look like the guys in the past, you must act with the mentality of the guys in the past.
    Definitely something to this!

    Phil Heath wouldn't be battling haters and wannabes if this were the 90s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmikecox View Post
    Of course you could. I have nothing against prep coaches and I will use one eventually, but before prep coaches we HAD to prep ourselves. We had people that would give us a good look but you came up with your own game plan
    I did prep myself for my first teenage show haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyk View Post
    I did prep myself for my first teenage show haha.
    See, that was easy wasn't it? LOL
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    Guys are also convinced that if they can 'get fuller,' they will win. They think being fuller will magically transform their physique. It won't. Your physique is what it is. The same shape, mass, and strong and weak bodyparts aren't going to be magically better if you can somehow look the same on stage as you do pumped during a chest workout. Rarely have I ever seen guys lose a show because they were flat. Maybe at the level of the Mr. O or ASC where the top guys are very close, it matters. Almost never at the regional level and only rarely at the National level have I ever seen someone I thought would have won had they just been fuller. Have I seen people that would have won if they had been in better condition? A THOUSAND TIMES!!!
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    Condition, condition, condition!!! Especially at regional shows and National shows, you come in pealed, you will do well. We all want to go onstage as full as we are after a good back and chest workout, shit if DJ could have did the O at 4 weeks out he would have won! LOL
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    The thing is, looking at yourself from 5 feet away in the mirror at the gym is very different from how judges will see you under stage lighting from 15 feet away. You are focusing on your veins and how full you look, but they are seeing deep cuts that either are or are not there.
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    I could prep myself and come in 115% shredded if I wanted, but I don't want to set a new conditioning standard. Guys today already struggle to hit the current standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmikecox View Post
    See, that was easy wasn't it? LOL

    Ya dude i was shredded not lol. Natural ohio hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigoso View Post
    Everyone talks about conditioning of the 90's. I can agree there were more guys in better shape in a given line up and more consistent. I would argue however that the most conditioned guys now are more conditioned than guys in the 90's


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    Really? I dont see anyone coming in the shape of Shawn, or Flex, or Levrone or many others.
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