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    Simple answer...NO!!! Think about how much depth and quality there were in guys back when there were less pro cards! The USA used to give out ONE pro card! Same with the NA's. Those guys that won were ready to step on a pro stage! It was a fight to get your name out there to win! Look at some guys who had pro physiques that never turned pro (Mendenhall and Edgar Fletcher, Ken Castignoli, Beau Matlock). Its WAY worse in bikini and MPD. They get pro cards at the JR. USA! WTF? SRS? My solution, make those other classes harder to get pro cards! Shit, most couldnt name 10 MPD pro's. Only reason people watch bikini is bikini is bc they force it on you at the O and ASC AND they wear fuck me pumps and do the "smash from the back pose" They dont need pro cards they need couch dance money! Bottom line, bodybuilding built this industry. If it wasnt for bbing there would be no MPD or bikini or figure!

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    No, it's greed. They want more money. Simple as that. I posted a clip about this yesterday from another site that is not RX Muscle, but it was deleted by MD staff.

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    Another problem is why 25 pro cards for US bodybuilding community and much less for the rest of the world ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulk View Post
    Another problem is why 25 pro cards for US bodybuilding community and much less for the rest of the world ?
    Because those freaks overseas would destroy some of our best dudes! LOL But no idea why so little pro cards in Europe. Seems to me they would want more guys to get pro cards. A lot of bbers in Europe have pro physiques
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    Quote Originally Posted by romant56 View Post
    No, it's greed. They want more money. Simple as that. I posted a clip about this yesterday from another site that is not RX Muscle, but it was deleted by MD staff.
    Was it a LT clip?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmikecox View Post
    Was it a LT clip?
    Nope. I was surprised it was deleted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by romant56 View Post
    Nope. I was surprised it was deleted.
    No shit? Was it critical of the IFBB/NPC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmikecox View Post
    No shit? Was it critical of the IFBB/NPC?
    It was making the point that in other sports (NFL) news outlets can criticize the league without repercussions. He made the point he was listening to sports radio on a major station in New York and the person didn't think the NFL should play regular season games out of the country, but the NFL plans on having more. The NFL show claimed the NFL was greedy and this was the motivation.

    The segment then asked what would happen if MD, Flex, Ironman, etc. made the claim that the IFBB or NPC is greedy. Nobody would say that bc they would be afraid of the IFBB and in turn, losing sponsors or press passes as has happened previously. So why can an organization that is huge and powerful like the NFL be criticized, but not the IFBB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmikecox View Post
    Because those freaks overseas would destroy some of our best dudes! LOL But no idea why so little pro cards in Europe. Seems to me they would want more guys to get pro cards. A lot of bbers in Europe have pro physiques
    Also because the amateur organizations over there aren't the NPC. More pro card availability in the U.S. means more NPC competitors. Win win...

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    Quote Originally Posted by romant56 View Post
    It was making the point that in other sports (NFL) news outlets can criticize the league without repercussions. He made the point he was listening to sports radio on a major station in New York and the person didn't think the NFL should play regular season games out of the country, but the NFL plans on having more. The NFL show claimed the NFL was greedy and this was the motivation.

    The segment then asked what would happen if MD, Flex, Ironman, etc. made the claim that the IFBB or NPC is greedy. Nobody would say that bc they would be afraid of the IFBB and in turn, losing sponsors or press passes as has happened previously. So why can an organization that is huge and powerful like the NFL be criticized, but not the IFBB?

    Good clip
    Anything mainstream has to abide by some sort of scruples. There could be Congressional hearings on the NFL. No one gives two shits about thong pageants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by romant56 View Post
    It was making the point that in other sports (NFL) news outlets can criticize the league without repercussions. He made the point he was listening to sports radio on a major station in New York and the person didn't think the NFL should play regular season games out of the country, but the NFL plans on having more. The NFL show claimed the NFL was greedy and this was the motivation.

    The segment then asked what would happen if MD, Flex, Ironman, etc. made the claim that the IFBB or NPC is greedy. Nobody would say that bc they would be afraid of the IFBB and in turn, losing sponsors or press passes as has happened previously. So why can an organization that is huge and powerful like the NFL be criticized, but not the IFBB?

    Good clip
    The IFBB is like John gotti. If one of Gotti's associates criticized him, he would be whacked. If MD, RX or any "media" outlet said anything negative about the IFBB or NPC, they would lose all press passes (even thought they have to pay $1500 to cover the shows) So in the "bbing media" the IFBB/NPC can do no wrong! Players can criticize Roger Goddell and not have any issues! Everything ISNT perfect! Im sure there are pro's who think too many pro cards are given out. But they cant say that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lou0178 View Post
    Anything mainstream has to abide by some sort of scruples. There could be Congressional hearings on the NFL. No one gives two shits about thong pageants.
    This!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmikecox View Post
    The IFBB is like John gotti. If one of Gotti's associates criticized him, he would be whacked. If MD, RX or any "media" outlet said anything negative about the IFBB or NPC, they would lose all press passes (even thought they have to pay $1500 to cover the shows) So in the "bbing media" the IFBB/NPC can do no wrong! Players can criticize Roger Goddell and not have any issues! Everything ISNT perfect! Im sure there are pro's who think too many pro cards are given out. But they cant say that.
    Exactly. That was the point being made in the clip.

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    Im sure what i just posted will get deleted. LOL
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    How does Ron Avidan get press passes and people on getbig talk shit about the IFBB/NPC non stop????? (FYI...love you Ron and GB)
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    For the latter period (2000-2014) with 25 pro cards now on offer the following NPC six alumni gained a top six Olympia spot: Phil Heath, Kai Greene, Shawn Rhoden, Toney Freeman, Branch Warren and Victor Martinez. So during 1985-1999 when only seven pro cards were up for grabs, 15 guys attained top six Olympia placings and three (Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler and Dexter Jackson) were crowned Mr. Olympia. While from 2000-2014 with over three times as many pro card opportunities only six guys (which equates to 40% of the number of 1985-1999 graduates) have managed a top six berth at the Olympia with Phil Heath being the sole Mr. Olympia winner of that group. That could be interpreted as the more pro cards that are available the overall quality in depth decreases, prompting the thought does more pros equate to better pros? Answers on a postcard please.
    It really is not an entirely fair comparison. Only Ronnie won the MO before the 2000s, so you must wait for the winners of the professional card in the period from 2000 to 2014, reach their full peak.

    But in the bottom of the matter, I agree, there are too many cards and be PRO should mean a status difficult to achieve.
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