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    Quote Originally Posted by b-boy View Post
    fasting really helped this, after the third day of fasting for 16 hours, I just wasn't as hungry, which made it a lot easier to not eat as much protein.
    Good sources of info ....got to youtube and subscribe to "high intensity health" he inter views a lot of great minds like dr. Dom, dr. Fung, Jeff Volek, and tons of other people. Great info on keto adaptation and intermittent fasting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjoe View Post
    "Unfortunately, while ketogenic diets do stimulate weight loss, a significant percentage of that bodyweight lost is muscle mass. This is because ketogenic diets inhibit the muscle-sparing activity of mTOR, causing an increased use of muscle protein for energy— resulting in a loss of muscle."



    and then I quit reading.
    Most of the time, especially in this audience, the people trying a keto diet are juiced up and going into a show. That fact alone is going to sway this whole article.
    Now toss in the vague idea of "Ketogenic" in itself. If we are talking the 80% fat and 20% protein then maybe some of this holds water, but we all know this again will NOT apply to the
    audience in question. During an off season with plenty of calories from carbs and fats you can get away with about 1g of pro per pound of bodyweight. I doubt many here stick to that come contest time (when you'd run a keto diet). They are more likely going to be consuming 1.5-2.0g of protein per pound. This would bring the fat content down dramatically. Again, shifting the whole idea of this article.
    Now of course some will argue that with protein that high you won't be in keto as your body will convert some of that for energy. I disagree and think once again the audience needs to be kept in mind. They are not sedentary people sitting at a desk all day. They have more muscle than the average, they crush weights several times a week and I am sure hit plenty of cardio (especially since we are talking show prep, why else would we be talking keto)?

    I always hate these articles that hint or even directly say that keto is not good for building muscle. Who said it was? It is pretty damn good at holding onto muscle while dropping some pounds though. And isn't that why people use it anyway? (again, in this audience).
    very true! i am on very very low carbs for 4 years now . i am as strong as ever and you can bet i did not lose any muscle at all while dropping my weight from 116.8 kilos to 89 kilos. keto done the right way is great!

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    I just recently got into Low carb dieting and more specifically "loose paleo" because I still have fruits and some sweet potatoes here and there around workouts and I love it. So much less sluggish and definitely less bloated. This thread is full of really cool information and I want to transition into keto dieting eventually. Never stop exploring

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjoe View Post
    "Unfortunately, while ketogenic diets do stimulate weight loss, a significant percentage of that bodyweight lost is muscle mass. This is because ketogenic diets inhibit the muscle-sparing activity of mTOR, causing an increased use of muscle protein for energy— resulting in a loss of muscle."



    and then I quit reading.
    Most of the time, especially in this audience, the people trying a keto diet are juiced up and going into a show. That fact alone is going to sway this whole article.
    Now toss in the vague idea of "Ketogenic" in itself. If we are talking the 80% fat and 20% protein then maybe some of this holds water, but we all know this again will NOT apply to the
    audience in question. During an off season with plenty of calories from carbs and fats you can get away with about 1g of pro per pound of bodyweight. I doubt many here stick to that come contest time (when you'd run a keto diet). They are more likely going to be consuming 1.5-2.0g of protein per pound. This would bring the fat content down dramatically. Again, shifting the whole idea of this article.
    Now of course some will argue that with protein that high you won't be in keto as your body will convert some of that for energy. I disagree and think once again the audience needs to be kept in mind. They are not sedentary people sitting at a desk all day. They have more muscle than the average, they crush weights several times a week and I am sure hit plenty of cardio (especially since we are talking show prep, why else would we be talking keto)?

    I always hate these articles that hint or even directly say that keto is not good for building muscle. Who said it was? It is pretty damn good at holding onto muscle while dropping some pounds though. And isn't that why people use it anyway? (again, in this audience).
    Agree and agree. This article seems to assume the user isn't eating any carbs pre and post workout. Like you said, 80/20 fat to pro with 0 carbs would likely make this article more truthful, but the majority of muscular people consistently lifting weights on a keto diet are eating quality calories around their workouts and don't tend to waste away in terms of muscularity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by modredtrenton View Post
    very true! i am on very very low carbs for 4 years now . i am as strong as ever and you can bet i did not lose any muscle at all while dropping my weight from 116.8 kilos to 89 kilos. keto done the right way is great!
    So do you eat what little carbs you do eat before/after your workout to improve mTor functioning? What is your fat intake like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike4 View Post
    So do you eat what little carbs you do eat before/after your workout to improve mTor functioning? What is your fat intake like?
    i eat no direct carbs. i only have what is in nuts or other keto food anyway. fat intake is abouet 0.5-0.75 gramms per pound bodyweight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethan Wedge View Post
    I just recently got into Low carb dieting and more specifically "loose paleo" because I still have fruits and some sweet potatoes here and there around workouts and I love it. So much less sluggish and definitely less bloated. This thread is full of really cool information and I want to transition into keto dieting eventually. Never stop exploring
    For bb, I think quality carbs (sweet potato, sprouted grains, fibrous veggies) around a workout are very important. What kind of fruits do you eat and when?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike4 View Post
    For bb, I think quality carbs (sweet potato, sprouted grains, fibrous veggies) around a workout are very important. What kind of fruits do you eat and when?
    if you really are on keto you dont need carbs for your workouts. i never have blood sugar drops and i can do cardio for hours without breaking down as i constantly have ketones for energy from my bodyfat. even if you skip some meals you feel much better than on a carb based diet as fat burns slow and steady. it does not hurt if you eat some carbs sometimes but i noticed if i get out of ketosis the hunger comes back . on keto you are never hungry until calories are very very low.
    i belive that keto is less stressful for the body. you dont get bloated and you can get more calories in with less food volume. mankind was built for keto. our ancestors had vegetables, nuts,weeds and meat- a perfect keto diet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by modredtrenton View Post
    if you really are on keto you dont need carbs for your workouts. i never have blood sugar drops and i can do cardio for hours without breaking down as i constantly have ketones for energy from my bodyfat. even if you skip some meals you feel much better than on a carb based diet as fat burns slow and steady. it does not hurt if you eat some carbs sometimes but i noticed if i get out of ketosis the hunger comes back . on keto you are never hungry until calories are very very low.
    i belive that keto is less stressful for the body. you dont get bloated and you can get more calories in with less food volume. mankind was built for keto. our ancestors had vegetables, nuts,weeds and meat- a perfect keto diet.
    Great post, I just wanted to say hello.

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    Quote Originally Posted by modredtrenton View Post
    if you really are on keto you dont need carbs for your workouts. i never have blood sugar drops and i can do cardio for hours without breaking down as i constantly have ketones for energy from my bodyfat. even if you skip some meals you feel much better than on a carb based diet as fat burns slow and steady. it does not hurt if you eat some carbs sometimes but i noticed if i get out of ketosis the hunger comes back . on keto you are never hungry until calories are very very low.
    i belive that keto is less stressful for the body. you dont get bloated and you can get more calories in with less food volume. mankind was built for keto. our ancestors had vegetables, nuts,weeds and meat- a perfect keto diet.

    Lookin' good, Mod!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IRON DWARF View Post
    Lookin' good, Mod!
    thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by modredtrenton View Post
    if you really are on keto you dont need carbs for your workouts. i never have blood sugar drops and i can do cardio for hours without breaking down as i constantly have ketones for energy from my bodyfat. even if you skip some meals you feel much better than on a carb based diet as fat burns slow and steady. it does not hurt if you eat some carbs sometimes but i noticed if i get out of ketosis the hunger comes back . on keto you are never hungry until calories are very very low.
    i belive that keto is less stressful for the body. you dont get bloated and you can get more calories in with less food volume. mankind was built for keto. our ancestors had vegetables, nuts,weeds and meat- a perfect keto diet.
    Exactly, we as humans were built for this type of diet.
    I also never eat carbs, not around workout, no cab up days, NONE!!!
    Fuck carbohydrates
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    Quote Originally Posted by b-boy View Post
    Exactly, we as humans were built for this type of diet.
    I also never eat carbs, not around workout, no cab up days, NONE!!!
    Fuck carbohydrates

    Is there any truth to what "they" say about no-carb and low-cal leading to cortisol release?

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-boy View Post
    Exactly, we as humans were built for this type of diet.
    I also never eat carbs, not around workout, no cab up days, NONE!!!
    Fuck carbohydrates

    bboy - you don't carb at all, period? You don't find that you stall losing bodyfat doing this? I'm asking because Dr Eric Serrano did a presentation for Elite FTS touching this topic real quick.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeUuv-N7gQE

    At the 11:30 mark he talks about how you need to manipulate your carbs every 2 weeks to keep fat loss going. Do you disagree?

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    The longer you are without hydrates, worst you feel the carb up.

    I do not believe in that crap of hydrates around the training in general terms, but after a contest diet it may be a good idea to introduce hydrates at that specific time to increase your muscle size without fat. However, this grace period has a limited time, then, it's time to back to your ketosis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethan Wedge View Post
    I just recently got into Low carb dieting and more specifically "loose paleo" because I still have fruits and some sweet potatoes here and there around workouts and I love it. So much less sluggish and definitely less bloated. This thread is full of really cool information and I want to transition into keto dieting eventually. Never stop exploring
    Right now im in my real low carb period and I will cycle that every 3 days and the 4th day I have carbs. It fills me up and helps me keep going with bf loss. WHen I am not eating carbs I do use good fats to just keep my calories consistent so not to sacrifice lean muscle tissue. Personally I like doing it this way and I feel good with the carbs I use, no bloating at all, I actually feel great, full and vascular after my carb meals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bully God View Post
    bboy - you don't carb at all, period? You don't find that you stall losing bodyfat doing this? I'm asking because Dr Eric Serrano did a presentation for Elite FTS touching this topic real quick.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeUuv-N7gQE

    At the 11:30 mark he talks about how you need to manipulate your carbs every 2 weeks to keep fat loss going. Do you disagree?
    Information geare'd to sloth sugar burners, lower your carbs to loose weight increase carbs every so often to keep fat loss going. I'm not a sloth sugar burner I'm a fat adapted super sayain, I run on ketones 24/7 I'm constantly using fat for fuel, I have no problem with fat loss, I'm slowly loosing fat now and seriously not even trying to.
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