A message from Jim Manion

[OldSchool90]

Breach of the anti-doping code, ni**a please. Pot, meet kettle

wtf is with the n word? Ron you are White.

[Ron Harris]

I meant NINJA please. Didn't want to offend any ninjas.

[MusclepapaJohn]

wtf is with the n word? Ron you are White.

Of Asiatic descent. Ninja.

[MusclepapaJohn]

Amateur IFBB, has controls in the world championships, in theory.

But the Elite Pro, I do not see anywhere that they are announcing drug controls.

So they don't care if the pros juice, but if a current NPC athlete competes in the Arnold Amateur or presumably any other NPC event they will be suspended from participation in DeMilia's IFBB America? Is this retroactive to: 1) the time of the split, 2) time of this memorandum, 3)the Arnold Columbus going forward or what? Would be nice to know so we can help publicize that active NPC competitors won't be allowed to participate in IFBB America amateur events. Maybe since Raphael is tight with Arnold he can have Arnold hang a sign backstage in Columbus noting they are all suspended from competing in the IFBB International and IFBB America. Wanna do all we can to help this organization enforce their own rules and standards that so distinguish them.

[IRONBULL]

RULES IFBB PRO LEAGUE, BODYBUILDING:

http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/up...dybuilding.pdf

RULES IFBB ELITE PRO, BODYBUILDING:

https://eliteproifbb.com/wp-content/...Rules-2017.doc

It's hardly a sport...
It's a show, it's not a show, it's your show, it's my show, it's a good show, it's a bad show.

[MusclepapaJohn]

I see you have at the top & bottom of your website the IFBB logos, but no IFBB Pro League logo.
So are you guys picking a side or neutral while promoting only the IFBB news and info?
There are so many specific links to IFBB and Rafael's progaganda on your page.
Why not if its strictly sharing information share some for the IFBB Pro League?
Equal Time or you prefer Burger King?

RULES IFBB PRO LEAGUE, BODYBUILDING:

http://www.ifbbpro.com/wp-content/up...dybuilding.pdf

RULES IFBB ELITE PRO, BODYBUILDING:

https://eliteproifbb.com/wp-content/...Rules-2017.doc

It's hardly a sport...
It's a show, it's not a show, it's your show, it's my show, it's a good show, it's a bad show.

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[IRONBULL]

I see you have at the top & bottom of your website the IFBB logos, but no IFBB Pro League logo.
So are you guys picking a side or neutral while promoting only the IFBB news and info?
There are so many specific links to IFBB and Rafael's progaganda on your page.
Why not if its strictly sharing information share some for the IFBB Pro League?
Equal Time or you prefer Burger King?



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http://www.eastlabs.ru/ifbb-efbb-fbf...sya-rossiyanam

[MusclepapaJohn]

http://www.eastlabs.ru/ifbb-efbb-fbf...sya-rossiyanam

Awesome, I saw the list Ironbull!

Noted: Опубликованы календари международных соревнований для любителей. Публикуем оба, оставляя право выбора за спортсменами. Right of choice to athletes.

[damien308]

so im confused now , does this mean certain athletes will back out of the Arnold in Columbus ?

[damien308]

https://www.ifbb.com/important-notic...ifbb-athletes/

The Bodybuilding events to be held in Columbus (next March 1-4, 2018) and Australia (next March 16-18, 2018) are NOT IFBB sanctioned events.Both events are organized by an IFBB suspended organization, due to breach of International Sport Regulations and serious violations of the World Anti-Doping Code.The participation in any of these non-sanctionned events will carry a re-installment process, accordingly to article 19.4.7 of the IFBB Constitution, without prejudice of additional disciplinary measures that may be adopted by National Federations.

this is coming from Rafael ??

[guruhonza]

I see you have at the top & bottom of your website the IFBB logos, but no IFBB Pro League logo.
So are you guys picking a side or neutral while promoting only the IFBB news and info?
There are so many specific links to IFBB and Rafael's progaganda on your page.
Why not if its strictly sharing information share some for the IFBB Pro League?
Equal Time or you prefer Burger King?

Hardly any Russian athletes will compete at IFBB Pro shows or qualifiers. Maybe thats why produce most content related to IFBB International?

The only country from Europe that`s gonna get MANY amateurs crossing from IFBB International to IFBB Pro qualifiers is UK.

[IRONBULL]

Hardly any Russian athletes will compete at IFBB Pro shows or qualifiers. Maybe thats why produce most content related to IFBB International?

The only country from Europe that`s gonna get MANY amateurs crossing from IFBB International to IFBB Pro qualifiers is UK.

We understand that there are divergent paths being taken by IFBB and NPC with regard to the space in world. That is very bad news...very bad...

[Beti ona]

Bodybuilders really have a choice to compete?

It practically depends on where they were born, the Americans are going to go with Manion, but the Europeans are going to go with Santonja. This is bad for the show and for the fans.

What will the Asians and South Americans do? That's where the interesting thing is, where the nationalist pro-league policy must change or they will lose all these athletes since Santonja is probably going to give them a different treatment.

[GeorgeUK]

Bodybuilders really have a choice to compete?

It practically depends on where they were born, the Americans are going to go with Manion, but the Europeans are going to go with Santonja. This is bad for the show and for the fans.

What will the Asians and South Americans do? That's where the interesting thing is, where the nationalist pro-league policy must change or they will lose all these athletes since Santonja is probably going to give them a different treatment.

UK is in Europe and nobody here is considering the Raphael route. Plenty excellent federations for non pro. Ones with plenty prize money (yes, every class). Raphael is competing v other federations, but trying to threaten them into going with him

[chick]

so im confused now , does this mean certain athletes will back out of the Arnold in Columbus ?

No....why would they?

If Raphael believe by threatening the very athletes he's hoping will compete and support HIS shows is a good move...all the power to him!

From OUR perspective, athletes competing in the Arnold amateur will always have a home competing with the NPC, and IFBB Pro League qualifying events around the world. we make NO restrictions, and offer the ONLY road to the OLYMPIA

[MusclepapaJohn]

Hardly any Russian athletes will compete at IFBB Pro shows or qualifiers. Maybe thats why produce most content related to IFBB International?

The only country from Europe that`s gonna get MANY amateurs crossing from IFBB International to IFBB Pro qualifiers is UK.

I can understand EastLabs and many of the other European based muscle media outlets including AMI/Flex based pubs at least initially showing more loyalty to the legacy amateur federation, but its not true that Russians and other European nationals won't have ample opportunity to compete in Pro League qualifiers in surrounding countries.
-Tim Gardner has one in Romania,
-Serge Sarec one in Austria,
-I believe Robin Chang has numerous ones launching in Italy and this is just the tip of the iceberg as
-Sheru has one coming up in Columbia,
-Fello & Maggy Cambronero in Costa Rica,
-Victor Martinez in Dominican Republic,
-Jon Lindsay has launched an overseas series of Pro League contests in Ireland, Brazil, Vietnam & Philippines
and many promoters with their national feds around the globe are in contact with Pro League about transitioning to Pro League competitions. I know of specific instances. This is not hearsay.
This is only a couple months after the split and there are over 60 Pro League qualifiers established around the globe and the number will continue to grow as many of these are from U.S. based promoters hungry for the international market versus the flood of international promoters based around the world who will be crossing over.

[guruhonza]

I can understand EastLabs and many of the other European based muscle media outlets including AMI/Flex based pubs at least initially showing more loyalty to the legacy amateur federation, but its not true that Russians and other European nationals won't have ample opportunity to compete in Pro League qualifiers in surrounding countries.
-Tim Gardner has one in Romania,
-Serge Sarec one in Austria,
-I believe Robin Chang has numerous ones launching in Italy and this is just the tip of the iceberg as
-Sheru has one coming up in Columbia,
-Fello & Maggy Cambronero in Costa Rica,
-Victor Martinez in Dominican Republic,
-Jon Lindsay has launched an overseas series of Pro League contests in Ireland, Brazil, Vietnam & Philippines
and many promoters with their national feds around the globe are in contact with Pro League about transitioning to Pro League competitions. I know of specific instances. This is not hearsay.
This is only a couple months after the split and there are over 60 Pro League qualifiers established around the globe and the number will continue to grow as many of these are from U.S. based promoters hungry for the international market versus the flood of international promoters based around the world who will be crossing over.

Anyone has this opportunity thanks to this split but we are not talking about the opportunity. We are talking about who will actually go compete at IFBB Pro qualifiers.

Competitors from Russia, Spain, France, Czech republic, Poland, Slovakia, Iran, Korea, Brazil, Italy and so on will in 90% cases stay with IFBB International. UK, Ireland, Australia, Kuwait will produce better numbers than there countries but will it by 50-50? I doubt it.


MOST new good bodybuilders with potential will of course go to IFBB Pro league. Because of Olympia and money. I dont think ELITE Pro will be ever able to match talent in bodybuilding in IFBB Pro simply because of Olympia.

By the way Roman Vavrečan just decided he will go with IFBB Elite Pro but in the future he thinks he will also join IFBB Pro league. He has great future in the sport

http://forums.musculardevelopment.co...light=vavrecan