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    I am having serious problems with the mind meld and my chest.

    Incline press X 5
    Dumb bell press X 5
    Flat flyes X 5
    Cable crosses X 5
    Pec deck

    But I cannot "feel" the burn. My delts seem to give out B4 my chest.

    Now remember I was shot in the chest, and blew out my scapula.
    Is this Hopefully the prob??

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    Quote Originally Posted by muscleup71 View Post
    I am having serious problems with the mind meld and my chest.

    Incline press X 5
    Dumb bell press X 5
    Flat flyes X 5
    Cable crosses X 5
    Pec deck

    But I cannot "feel" the burn. My delts seem to give out B4 my chest.

    Now remember I was shot in the chest, and blew out my scapula.
    Is this Hopefully the prob??


    incline press, use with dumbells instead of barbell, and it may be the angle of the chair.. and if you find the right angle you can alter the way your holding the DB's for it to work best for you

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    Firstly, that seems a lot of sets, 20+ just for chest?

    Secondly, I highly recommend you read the 'Chest' article written by bodyfx2 in the 'Training Articles' in this forum section. Id put a link to it but i got no idea lol - could be the answer you are looking for.

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    WAY too much volume

    Try this:
    Incline Barbell bench Or Flat Barbell Bench 4x6reps
    Incline Dumbbell bench or Flat Dumbbell bench 3x8reps
    Incline or Flat Flyes 3x8

    Stick to that for 5 weeks adding either 5lbs for barbell lifts or 2.5 for Dumbbells or an extra rep per week each week, on the last set. Ramp the weight up. ex. 100, 120, 140, 160, next week last set will be an extra rep or 5lbs added...
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    I typically hit 20-24 sets per group.

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    could it be possible that I might be overtraining?

    7 days a week, 2 hours a day.

    20-24 sets per muscle group.

    One muscle group per day.

    I am constantly tired, no energy. Kind of thought maybe I was malnourished??

    But........
    It is working for me at present. Really afraid to do splits, and lower the volume.

    Gunny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Youngguns View Post
    WAY too much volume

    Try this:
    Incline Barbell bench Or Flat Barbell Bench 4x6reps
    Incline Dumbbell bench or Flat Dumbbell bench 3x8reps
    Incline or Flat Flyes 3x8

    Stick to that for 5 weeks adding either 5lbs for barbell lifts or 2.5 for Dumbbells or an extra rep per week each week, on the last set. Ramp the weight up. ex. 100, 120, 140, 160, next week last set will be an extra rep or 5lbs added...


    Bah. John Parillo said "There's no such thing as overtraining, only undereating."

    If you recover adequately it's not overtraining.


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    muscles recovering, lymbatics not.

    I am absolutely sure i am rounding at the top when benching, I do feel it in the delts and the tri's.

    I tried a wider grip, but that basically shortened the range of motion B4 I rounded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muscleup71 View Post
    muscles recovering, lymbatics not.

    I am absolutely sure i am rounding at the top when benching, I do feel it in the delts and the tri's.

    I tried a wider grip, but that basically shortened the range of motion B4 I rounded.

    Before lifting off on any barbell or db chest movements, pin (retract) your shoulder blades together on the bench, this will aid greatly in keeping the focus on your chest and out of your shoulders and tris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYC BIG MIKE View Post
    Bah. John Parillo said "There's no such thing as overtraining, only undereating."

    If you recover adequately it's not overtraining.


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    I agree. If you do nothing but shove food down your throat all day you will not overtrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durk View Post
    I agree. If you do nothing but shove food down your throat all day you will not overtrain.
    Dude that's not true at all. It's more true if your juicing but if your natural that's totally false. Your body needs adequite rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Youngguns View Post
    Dude that's not true at all. It's more true if your juicing but if your natural that's totally false. Your body needs adequite rest.

    Even those on AAS need rest. The Parillo statement was for effect. Assuming one does a body part a week and breaks up the split effectively, you should be able to train hard and long if recovery protocols (food, rest, etc) are in place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Youngguns View Post
    Dude that's not true at all. It's more true if your juicing but if your natural that's totally false. Your body needs adequite rest.
    eat 5000-7000cals a day and say that. I know you cant do this all of the time because your bf gets to high, but try it sometime.

    Yes I also agree that you need phases of deloading as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYC BIG MIKE View Post
    Bah. John Parillo said "There's no such thing as overtraining, only undereating."

    If you recover adequately it's not overtraining.


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    No so sure about that Mike.Everyone has different recouperative abilities.One person can do 20 sets for chest and recovery within days,CNS and muscle-wise,where another person would do 20 sets and have his CNS in chaos for 5 days or more,depending on intensity of workout.Eating a perfect diet too,getting 7-8 hrs of sleep.

    The term "Overtraining" is used far too vaguely IMO.

    Good to see you around Mike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorRipped View Post
    No so sure about that Mike.Everyone has different recouperative abilities.One person can do 20 sets for chest and recovery within days,CNS and muscle-wise,where another person would do 20 sets and have his CNS in chaos for 5 days or more,depending on intensity of workout.Eating a perfect diet too,getting 7-8 hrs of sleep.

    The term "Overtraining" is used far too vaguely IMO.

    Good to see you around Mike!

    ~RR

    Fair enough. I'm going on the premise that one knows his limits by listening to what his body tells him. Take me for example, I do an EOD format and hit everybody part in an 8 day week. I lift for 2 hours easy.
    I shoulda know you were gonna argue this point. I was gonna tear up your shit regarding IGF-1 but decided to let you slide. Watch your back. Good to see you as well my spaghetti eating friend.

    NYC BIG MIKE

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    I agree 100%.

    Not get in the middle of the lovers spat???

    But,
    My nervous system is saying yo, too much.

    Maybe not to much weight, but just too much intensity for too long of a period.

    I am going to cut back on the volume of sets, and increase the weight.

    Gunny

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYC BIG MIKE View Post
    Fair enough. I'm going on the premise that one knows his limits by listening to what his body tells him. Take me for example, I do an EOD format and hit everybody part in an 8 day week. I lift for 2 hours easy.
    I shoulda know you were gonna argue this point. I was gonna tear up your shit regarding IGF-1 but decided to let you slide. Watch your back. Good to see you as well my spaghetti eating friend.

    NYC BIG MIKE
    Not arguing it Mike.Just making a point.

    You can bash my IGF posts if you want.Everyone in that forum loves to try and shit on me anyway.So what's another person....hahahaha


    BTW,,,we call it pasta nowadays,


    ~RR

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