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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    Your personal experience is very valuable to all readers me included so dont hold back.

    I agree, its not just the short cycle weather its heavy/med/light it is whole theory, the diet/priming is so important when doing a short cycle or any kind of cycling, putting your body into a very anabolic state so muscle tissue can grow is important for gains. You have great in sight into the diet side of things and love reading your views and it always comes down to the indivdual and how he responds, do you feel 6 weeks is an ideal limit for you on moderate dose?

    I know i get asked alot about burst type cycles but it really only relates to advance user's this type of cycling, but short cycling can be used at any stage so long as the dosages are in line with their cycle history and level.
    i feel the same way about RR even though we don't always agree i know he is my superior when it comes to diet and details of drug use like cruising. i am eager to hear about his experiences as i have never done less then 8 weeks and that was always with a heavy ester.

    what dosage would you guys recommend for someone who has done about 25 cycles? i tolerate 1200/week well for short periods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyiron1 View Post
    i feel the same way about RR even though we don't always agree i know he is my superior when it comes to diet and details of drug use like cruising. i am eager to hear about his experiences as i have never done less then 8 weeks and that was always with a heavy ester.

    what dosage would you guys recommend for someone who has done about 25 cycles? i tolerate 1200/week well for short periods.
    Depends on what scale your talking about, if its burst cycling dosages i wouldnt really want to post them on the open board incase newbies are looking in, but i will say that the dose of a burst is alot more than your normally use and with daily injections, priming and a short burst does work well for people who have come to a stop in their development and need a shock into further growth, usually for advance BB's only.
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    Hi Marcus,
    I'm new here so please forgive the "newbieness".
    I didn't realise you knew Paul all that well - he was a sound guy despite his eccentricities and problems.

    Quick question for you - how do/did you cope with the sides on his short-burst regime?
    I know the idea is you won't suffer too many sides because of the short duration, but I know several people who tried his ideas and ended up out of breath by day 15, let alone day 56 as per his original Voyager stack.

    Did you need to use herbal diuretics/glycerin/etc, or cut a course short because you just got so damn heavy you couldn't walk up the stairs without palpitations?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rightyho View Post
    Hi Marcus,
    I'm new here so please forgive the "newbieness".
    I didn't realise you knew Paul all that well - he was a sound guy despite his eccentricities and problems.

    Quick question for you - how do/did you cope with the sides on his short-burst regime?
    I know the idea is you won't suffer too many sides because of the short duration, but I know several people who tried his ideas and ended up out of breath by day 15, let alone day 56 as per his original Voyager stack.

    Did you need to use herbal diuretics/glycerin/etc, or cut a course short because you just got so damn heavy you couldn't walk up the stairs without palpitations?

    Thanks.
    I knew Paul only from bodybuilding i wouldnt say i knew him well, but i was in contact with him for a bit regarding certain areas he was involved with.

    I never use a 56day protocol using burst dosages, for me i use to go to around 30 day mark and the dosages what are shown are not what i used, i keep stating this in all these threads regarding burst cycles- dosages are worked off the persons cycle history, so what a high level UK competiter would use is nothing what i would use.

    This is were i disagree with PB's on this side of things posting dosages on other advanced bodybuilders is wrong because alot of newbies will think thats the dose they need to use if they try something like this, its not, dose is designed from the BB's cycle history.

    Sides for me were low, recovery was easier and better, gains were maintained far better. Of course some have sides issues but not what you may be thinking, the body takes time to respond with sides and usually the cycle is coming to an end so no major ones really come up, unless you run it to long but that kind of defeats the object of running short cycle.

    If your running heavy suppresive compounds you will increase the risk of serious sides, so knowing how you resspond from previous cycles is a good indication to how the cycle will be designed.
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    marcus, there's been some talk about the testosterone "NEBIDO" on several threads including dave's and RR'S. there seems to be some confusion as to how to apply it to bodybuilding and not just testosterone replacement. RR suggested to ask you because he said you have first hand knowledge about the compound. can you please tell us how this would best used to get BIG. THANKS IN ADVANCE................

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    Quote Originally Posted by diamondcalves View Post
    marcus, there's been some talk about the testosterone "NEBIDO" on several threads including dave's and RR'S. there seems to be some confusion as to how to apply it to bodybuilding and not just testosterone replacement. RR suggested to ask you because he said you have first hand knowledge about the compound. can you please tell us how this would best used to get BIG. THANKS IN ADVANCE................
    Nebido is the king Test in my eyes, I use it only for HRT 4ml shoot 1000mgs of TU 4 shots a year and i feel great and the best therapy ive ever been on or tried.

    Ive not come across anyone using it for bodybuilding cycles, i knew this will raise its head into this area but i dont know anyone who as used it but of course you could, just work out the half life and active blood concentration and shoot the required amount for your cycle, i have plenty of studies regarding this product but only as far as HRT goes.

    Why would you want to use TU instead of prop/test e/cyp?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    Nebido is the king Test in my eyes, I use it only for HRT 4ml shoot 1000mgs of TU 4 shots a year and i feel great and the best therapy ive ever been on or tried.

    Ive not come across anyone using it for bodybuilding cycles, i knew this will raise its head into this area but i dont know anyone who as used it but of course you could, just work out the half life and active blood concentration and shoot the required amount for your cycle, i have plenty of studies regarding this product but only as far as HRT goes.

    Why would you want to use TU instead of prop/test e/cyp?
    since where i live(dominican republic) i can by it without a script in any pharmacy, and the price down here is much better than what i see online, i thought i'd give it a try. but, i've included EOD shots of prop to "jack it up" a bit. i've already done two whole amps(i'm doing one amp every 30 days), and 300mgs prop weekly with it(100mgs eod), and the results are WAAAAAAAY BETTER THAN ANY TEST COMBO I'VE EVER USED. i wanted to hear what you had to say, since not many bb's have experimented with it yet. i think it kicks enanthate & cypionate's ass. as for erections, the best i've ever had. who needs viagra,lol,lol. thanks for your response.......MUCH APPRECIATED!!!!

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    i am currently doing this at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diamondcalves View Post
    since where i live(dominican republic) i can by it without a script in any pharmacy, and the price down here is much better than what i see online, i thought i'd give it a try. but, i've included EOD shots of prop to "jack it up" a bit. i've already done two whole amps(i'm doing one amp every 30 days), and 300mgs prop weekly with it(100mgs eod), and the results are WAAAAAAAY BETTER THAN ANY TEST COMBO I'VE EVER USED. i wanted to hear what you had to say, since not many bb's have experimented with it yet. i think it kicks enanthate & cypionate's ass. as for erections, the best i've ever had. who needs viagra,lol,lol. thanks for your response.......MUCH APPRECIATED!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by plutonianman View Post
    Get it without a script..damn it must be nice to be you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stav T. View Post
    No it isn't.... he's dead.

    sad but true....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk of Doom View Post
    No it isn't.... he's dead.
    No shit lol...R.I.P


    Anyways I'd like some more info on this short burst cycle thing. I would be interested in trying this out.
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    Hi Marcus... i live in the UK also...where do you train?
    Do you have an email mate?
    Thanks

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    ^^^^ Marcus hasn't been around in a while, don't hold your breath on an answer from him.

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    Short cycling can be very effective and personally, I am beginning to find it more attractive than conventional cycling for a number of reasons, including what was listed in this thread already.

    Recently, I have been more inclined to implement a variation of both traditional and burst cycling by combining elements of both traditional cycling and burst cycling at the same time. It can take some guys a while to accept this idea due to the drastic departure from the norm, so I haven't talked about it much, but now it seems like an ideal time.

    If this type of cycling is given a chance, it will be seen that this particular method works more in accordance with the body's own natural rythms and also allows for continued gains throughout the entire cycle, instead of many of the ups and downs often seen with traditional cycles. It allows the athlete's digestive system a break from the prolonged stress that often accompanies traditional cycles by implementing higher and lower calories periods, which are staggered into the cycle during the period of time that best suits what is being administered at the time.

    Benefits of a traditional-burst hybrid.

    1. Takes greater advantage of the AAS used.
    2. Less digestive stress.
    3. Works with the body's own natural rythms of muscle growth.
    4. Superior overall gains.
    5. Greater muscle tissue maintenance.
    6. More consistency during one's cycle.

    .........and several others.

    Example of an advanced 10 week mass-building Traditional-Burst hybrid.

    Week #1: Test prop at 500 mg/week.
    Week #1: NPP at 400 mg/week.
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    Week #2: Test susp at 1000 mg/week.
    Week #2: Anadrol at 50 mg/day.
    Week #2: SD at 20 mg/day.
    Week #2: Insulin at 20 IU/day.
    -------------------------------------
    Week #3: Test prop at 750 mg/week.
    Week #3: NPP at 400 mg/week.
    -------------------------------------
    Week #4: Test susp at 1000 mg/week.
    Week #4: Anadrol at 50 mg/day.
    Week #4: SD at 20 mg/day.
    Week #4: Insulin at 20 IU/day.
    -------------------------------------
    Week #5: Test prop at 500 mg/week
    Week #5: NPP at 400 mg/week.
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    3 day digestive system primer.
    * Basically, during this 3 day period, which immediately follows week 5, both the Test prop/NPP will be continued at the same dosage, but the digestive system will be cleared out and brought back to 100% working efficiency, in order to get ready for the last 5 weeks of the cycle.
    * During this 3 day clear-out, only maintenance calories will be consumed. You will have to adjust calories, as your maintenance calories will be much higher at this point in the cycle, as when you started.
    * Do a 3-day run of a high quality colon cleansing product. Don't be surprised if you lose significant weight....it is NOT muscle...but shit that is clogging your intestinal walls, preventing your food from being optimally absorbed. Clearing it out is important for being able to take advantage of all the calories one will be eating during the last 5 weeks of the cycle.
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    Week #6: Test susp at 1000 mg/week
    Week #6: Anadrol at 50 mg/day.
    Week #6: SD at 20 mg/day.
    Week #6: Insulin at 20 IU/day.
    -------------------------------------
    Week #7: Test prop at 500 mg/week.
    Week #7: NPP at 400 mg/week.
    -------------------------------------
    Week #8: Test susp at 1000 mg/week.
    Week #8: Anadrol at 50 mg/day.
    Week #8: SD at 20 mg/day.
    Week #8: Insulin at 20 IU/day.
    -------------------------------------
    Week #9: Test prop at 500 mg/week.
    Week #9: NPP at 400 mg/week.
    -------------------------------------
    Week #10: Test susp at 1000 mg/week
    Week #10: Anadrol at 50 mg/day.
    Week #10: SD at 20 mg/day.
    Week #10: Insulin at 20 IU/day.

    Low dose weeks: 500 calories over maintenance.
    High dose weeks: 1500 calories over maintenance.


    * The low dose weeks serve as a break for the entire system from the stress of higher AAS doses and the excessive food consumption, allowing the body to recuperate for the following week's burst cycle to follow. Unlike typical burst cycles, in which gains are made only during the short period of time in which one is on, this method allows one to continue to gain during down-time, albeit more slowly, and also avoid the gains loss that usually happens when discontinuing regular burst cycles.

    Gains are solidified in this way, as the body has more time to adapt to the additional mass, before depleting the body of all anabolic hormones.


    * Obviously, one is going to eat a LOT more during high dose weeks in order to take full advanatge of the mini-cycle's muscle building potential. This is critical and the lower calorie weeks are crucial in setting things up and getting the body ready to be able to process and assimilate all the additional food one will be eating. Staggering both calories and AAS use concurrently is perhaps the most important piece of the puzzle, with both active rest and high calorie weeks working hand in hand with each other.

    As anyone who has been around a while knows, continuously attempting to eat super-human amounts of calories over an entire 10-12 week cycle is not only very difficult, it is also uhealthy, very hard on the entire digestive system and less effective, bringing weight gains to a grinding halt after a while, as the body adapts to the increased calorie amounts.

    * You may have noticed that the Test prop/NPP ratio is a little higher than normal, but I don't think it will be problematic when running it every 2 weeks.

    * When we eat significant amounts of food, our digestion and assimilation is eventually compromised due to a lack of elimination. Not only does this lead to stomach distention, but it will impair gains through hindering the absorption of the food we do eat. Undergoing this 3-day clearing out period will get your digestive system working at peak efficiency again and ready to start digesting and absorbing the large anounts of food necessary for massive muscle growth during the last half of the cycle.

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    so would that be classed as a type of shic after priming?

    test suspension shot ed ?

    then would you go back and cruise on maintenance for say 8weeks then repeat?

    Thanks alot

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    Normally a cycle for me would be like weeks 1-14 test e 750mg ew. weeks 1-12 deca 500mg week...cruise for 8weeks on 300mg repeat. maybe switch deca for tren.

    Do you reckon i would get alot more out of doing a cycle like the above?

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