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    Due to the high number of PM's i am getting on this subject i thought i would post this summary what i wrote some time ago regarding short (burst) cycling-

    Short burst cycling explained-
    One of the best approaches Ive ever used to build muscle tissue is short burst cycling, before i go any further i want to state that short cycling can be implemented to what ever level you are, its not only for the advance Bodybuilder it can be for all stages, its just the amount of gear Mg is adjusted to suit the individual's level. The best part of this thread will be aimed at advanced bodybuilders because of the high dose used with burst cycling but no discussion on dosages will be made on the open board unless it needs to be discussed.

    Muscle tissue doesn't grow continuously over long periods of time, weight gain and muscular growth doesn't happen that way. Not in infants, toddlers, teenagers, or even weight trainers. Instead, weight gain seems to come in spurts or surges. It's amazing how you can train hard and eat very well year round yet only seem to make progress in quick little infrequent spurts of growth even with taking all the AAS compounds the body still gets use to whats being taken and builds up tolerance and adapts. If you look back over your cycle history you will notice the growth spurts within the cycles, we don't keep on growing because if we did we would all be 500lbs+. This method can build huge tissue gains in that short growth window if everything is in place.


    Pre -Cycle Primming- First you must open the growth window and create a very anabolic environment for muscle tissue to grow, muscle receptors will get very excitable and upgrade to except more glucose which will shift the muscle to fat ratio which in turn will create muscle tissue to build very quickly, when this is coupled with a short burst cycle right after a prime the results can be outstanding, some of you will understand this from rebound cycling after a comp, its very similar except the prime isn't as harsh as the pre-cycle comp diet and the prime is only directed at creating and opening the growth window for the cycle, its a pre-cycle prime.(details of primming is in a separate thread).Hgh protocol should be ran during the prime at low dose and kicked up when cycle starts.


    Duration - Short burst cycling usually last for around 30 days, there is no set rule on the length of cycle and normally it can be open ended and stopped when growth slows/stops. You have to listen to the body and adjust, with burst cycling it shouldn't be ran for long periods of time, longer doesn't mean more or better gains.Keep it short and feed the growth window and build the tissue and stop, recover and maintain.

    Dosages- The dose for a short burst cycle is alot more than you would normally use in a standard length cycle, because of the prime and the body being in a very anabolic environment it can take on board alot more than usual and over loading androgens will fully push the body to grow, it also takes time for the body to adjust to the high level of hormones in relation to sides so before you are experiencing them your off cycle. Over your cycle history you would of tried the heavy dosages and seen the sides come and where its not worth the risk's to muscle gain, this is why its kept to a short period before the body can adjust with sides the cycle is over and growth is completed. Individual dosages are designed off your cycle history, there is no set dose it all depends on what your cycle history looks like, someone who normally uses 500mg per wk will be completely different to the guy who uses 1500mgs per wk when designing short burst cycles, but both will have the benefit of using high amounts what they normally don't run.

    Side effects- If your looking for the best effective way to run hormones without to much negative feedback staying on for long periods of time probably isn't the best option to take. Ive had far better blood work back from high burst cycles than when Ive ran longer cycles at alot less dosage. There is minimal impact on the HPTA and recovery is far easier than trying to bring back natural production from a long cycle, there is some elevated aggression because of the high amount of androgens but overall this can be channeled into your workouts. PCT should be painless and within normal boundaries of how you recover. Blood pressure in some can be a problem but not serious but needs to be checked throughout the period so aids can be used to combat the problem if needed. Water retention is low but can be elevated if this system is ran for long periods, but if there is a problem normal AI can be used to help this issue and OTC herbal diuretics. Tren user's within this system get bad BW results due to the harshness of the compound but boy does it produce gains but you have to be prepared to have a hard recovery and sides, kinda defeats the object but again, down to the individual.

    Compounds- Because its a short period of time the normal way would to run short ester's, but you can use long ester's within a short cycle, i know what some of you are thinking but it can be done with great results, because of the androgen overload your simply frontloading long ester's to an amount were it is effective straight from the start, the only problem is you have to drop them out 14 days before the end and swap them with fast ester's so everything is clear for PCT, i know what some are saying sounds pointless but its not, to the BB's who prefer long ester and they respond better to them, remember its designed of your cycle history so if your better with long esters go with them until 14 days from the end and swap to fast ester's, the daily injection and the amount of tissue the body can produce in a short period is amazing, if anyone wants to discuss long ester's with this theory i will but at this moment in time i will stop before i complicate things more. Short ester's and fast acting compounds are used and the exact compounds depends on what your trying to achieve but normally its Test based or what you respond best to, 2 /3 compounds are ran at a time but no need to run loads, keep them limited less is better,Ive even known guys used 1 compound with stunning results. HGH is increased to a high amount when cycle starts just like all the compounds. I did a study once with some BB's and the dosages range alot with all different HGH protocol's which is interesting reading but i can go into that at a later date.

    Maintenance - Due to the HPTA being shut down or suppressed for a short period of time its far better to get it to respond when the cycle is over, remember being shut down for weeks on end cause's serious issues about recovery and maintenance, shorter shut downs produces easier recovery no matter how much you have pushed in the body,which in turn results in better maintenance which equals keeping more gains. Once you have shut down your HPTA its down and its the period of shutdown what cause's damage, would you rather shut down your HPTA for 14 weeks or 30 days?? or continually shutting down and recovering isn't the other best approach either, depends on the person's goals and what he wants to achieve with BBing, some of my friends who are at a high level use short burst cycling coupled with bridge's because of what they have to compete with on stage and get ready for photo shoots nearly all the time. Recovering from a standard or long cycle it cost muscle tissue while trying to recovery even with all the peptide's chemicals this day and age we still lose tissue, with this theory losing tissue is limited.

    Diet - After the prime as been implemented correctly, the cycle should be started and this day should line up with the first high carb day after the low day carbs within the prime, calories from then on should be increased to over maintenance, different opinions here to how much, again down to knowing your body and how it responds, many who increase too fast will create huge water retention due to the increase of carbs, some don't and over load can be implemented, if your one of these guys who has water retention when carbs are increased after being depleted then over maintenance should be ran for 1 week ish then, overload should be used, if your not and you don't carry the water from the carbs increase calories well over maintenance and go with growth,also depends on how much of a prime as been ran!! feed the dramatic growth what can occur if you have done the procedure correctly.Over eat, over feed, overload on the first day of the cycle straight after the prime from low carb phase.One last thing and i hope many understand this- diet is 24hr dedication while running the theory.

    Training - Train to how you grow, best advice here is heavy intense workouts to total failure,HIT style or what ever works for you, you have the answers on how you grow. Intense is the key, stimulation of the whole body to grow, don't waste this time, remember to train how i am recommending is impossible for 10-12 weeks, its to hard and wouldn't last 4 weeks, before a turn around is needed and lay up from the heavy training session, so with this in mind you can mentally focus on this because its only for around 30 days long. Ive used many ways myself but the best for me with this style of cycling was heavy drop sets to failure plus forced, swapped to pre-exhausted drop sets to failure the following next total body workout, then swapped again. Workouts are short but seriously intense but you have the food/chemicals and energy to support this for this short period so don't waste it, Ive seen huge amounts of tissue build from this, myself i created 10lbs of clean tissue in a very short period of time after PCT and maintenance. Everybody's different to how much they build and comes down to if you have primed correctly, designed the perfect stack for you, placed the correct amount of mg's in the blood every day and how well you train to build fresh tissue.


    When i was first learnt this method my whole body changed to a serious level,I never went back to the normal way of cycling, it suited me so much and the growth was amazing. Borreson sat me down and explained in detail how this can happen and to this day things have moved forward so much from Paul's day but i always remember him saying "please try it you will be amazed" he was right and it could for you. Look at Dorian what he did straight after a show....he was back in the gym the day after while the other were on vacation, he was using the growth window to create a very anabolic environment for tissue to grow and he used it, thats why in some years he produced some serious muscle tissue gains what has been seen since due to his method and style, many top pro's used this system but its tweaked to suit their individual's needs.

    Please note, i am not saying do short burst cycles with little time off and then back on short burst cycle, no i haven't gone into that side of things, all i am doing is explaining the whole theory behind
    short burst cycling with first hand experience from myself and many bodybuilder's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xpand View Post
    your the best master marcus
    Not been called that before but have been called a "masterbater"
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    I'd share my personal experiences,but doc p would just say i'm a fucking idiot and don't know shit. WE had a nice discussion on this elsewhere recently though. Everyone enjoyed our posts. I know you probably received a zillion pm's just as I did.
    What was nice about it was most guys wanted to try 6 weekers with modest doses. I liked that alot and thought we both did a great job of promoting safety as well as explaining the "why's" of the ideology behind it. A lot of guys were interested in the diet as well. That I liked emensley.

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    I never did those but I will try it the whole off-season, with the 6 weeks on, 4 weeks off RR suggested a while ago.

    I'll keep you guys updated, the first 6 weeks blast will be right after the show (I'll start the second week of july)

    I plan on following a dorian type diet (I will try to eat about 5000 calories, if I gain too much fat I will drop that a little bit) and only 1 cheat meal per week (usually off-season I ate at Mcdonald everyday for 1 meal .... didn't get too fat tho )

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorRipped View Post
    I'd share my personal experiences,but doc p would just say i'm a fucking idiot and don't know shit. WE had a nice discussion on this elsewhere recently though. Everyone enjoyed our posts. I know you probably received a zillion pm's just as I did.
    What was nice about it was most guys wanted to try 6 weekers with modest doses. I liked that alot and thought we both did a great job of promoting safety as well as explaining the "why's" of the ideology behind it. A lot of guys were interested in the diet as well. That I liked emensley.

    ~RR
    Your personal experience is very valuable to all readers me included so dont hold back.

    I agree, its not just the short cycle weather its heavy/med/light it is whole theory, the diet/priming is so important when doing a short cycle or any kind of cycling, putting your body into a very anabolic state so muscle tissue can grow is important for gains. You have great in sight into the diet side of things and love reading your views and it always comes down to the indivdual and how he responds, do you feel 6 weeks is an ideal limit for you on moderate dose?

    I know i get asked alot about burst type cycles but it really only relates to advance user's this type of cycling, but short cycling can be used at any stage so long as the dosages are in line with their cycle history and level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stavios View Post
    I never did those but I will try it the whole off-season, with the 6 weeks on, 4 weeks off RR suggested a while ago.

    I'll keep you guys updated, the first 6 weeks blast will be right after the show (I'll start the second week of july)

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    Yep, I touched on this in my Q & A thread.

    Pefect time to run a short burst is after your comp. You'll be surprised at the results you'll get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorRipped View Post
    Yep, I touched on this in my Q & A thread.

    Pefect time to run a short burst is after your comp. You'll be surprised at the results you'll get.

    ~RR
    I agree, this time is so important so use it to your advantage, results are outstanding if you catch it correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    , do you feel 6 weeks is an ideal limit for you on moderate dose?

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    For the type of drugs I used, it was ideal for me bro. You know very well I ran those for over 2 yrs straight with great success, but for most, that is extreme. Not many people can handle training like a mad man for 6 weeks, then go directly into a cut for 4-5 weeks, then back on. You have to be a psychopath to do shit like that, and I am.
    But to reiterate, it's not so much the dose on those 6 week bursts as it is using the right drugs,and priming you body for growth. Seems to me the only people that call bullshit on priming are those that are too fucking lazy to do so. What was that doc's name on "this" board that called BS on priming when we discussed this awhile back?

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    Is this more along the lines of Borrenson then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorRipped View Post
    Yep, I touched on this in my Q & A thread.

    Pefect time to run a short burst is after your comp. You'll be surprised at the results you'll get.

    ~RR
    quick question RR, I will use suspension for the bust

    is it better to take it twice per day since it doesn't stay in the system for too long or 1 injection ED will be enough ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorRipped View Post
    For the type of drugs I used, it was ideal for me bro. You know very well I ran those for over 2 yrs straight with great success, but for most, that is extreme. Not many people can handle training like a mad man for 6 weeks, then go directly into a cut for 4-5 weeks, then back on. You have to be a psychopath to do shit like that, and I am.
    But to reiterate, it's not so much the dose on those 6 week bursts as it is using the right drugs,and priming you body for growth. Seems to me the only people that call bullshit on priming are those that are too fucking lazy to do so. What was that doc's name on "this" board that called BS on priming when we discussed this awhile back?

    ~RR
    Thats very important, not many can handle 6 weeks of that high intensity of training whats needed with this way of cycling, my body needs a break around 4-5 wks at the most for me to remain sane- you must of been highly strung

    The second part is so very true, many people design and spend a fortune on their cycles/drugs and if they sent the same amount of time designing and doing a prime they would never go back to the "norm" way of doing things,

    The take home muscle is outstanding if the whole process is done correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FUTURE View Post
    Is this more along the lines of Borrenson then?
    Paul introduce this to me many years ago, he explained in detail to me and once i tried it i never went back to normal way of cycling, things have moved on alot since PB but yes, he was one of the guys who first pushed this way of cycling/priming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stavios View Post
    quick question RR, I will use suspension for the bust

    is it better to take it twice per day since it doesn't stay in the system for too long or 1 injection ED will be enough ?
    You'll need to inject twice daily. I found 3 times per day best. But I use TNE(oil based suspension) as it has a slightly longer active life as opposed to water base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazorRipped View Post
    You'll need to inject twice daily. I found 3 times per day best. But I use TNE(oil based suspension) as it has a slightly longer active life as opposed to water base.
    wow it sounds pretty awesome, never saw those around here.
    but I prefer water based anyway if I have to pin 3 times daily I can use smaller gauges

    at 3 times a day, your body must be filled with holes everywhere after the 6 weeks !

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    Paul introduce this to me many years ago, he explained in detail to me and once i tried it i never went back to normal way of cycling, things have moved on alot since PB but yes, he was one of the guys who first pushed this way of cycling/priming.
    This is something I am intrigued about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stavios View Post
    your body must be filled with holes everywhere after the 6 weeks !
    Yes, it's a beautiful thing. When you drink water, you look like a lawn sprinkler.

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