ACTUAL CYCLE USED TO TURN PRO

[diamondcalves]

Brother, don't waste your time with Foreskin. He's proven himself to be a troll, liar and coward (just see my signature below. I called him out and he ran, like a typical board wanna-be).

You've been around for a while and I know you're genuine. Thanks for your contribution to the board in a meaningful manner.

Thank you.......I'm glad some of us can have an intelligent discussion about what happens on "the inside".

[duncanlukas]

ya, good shit dc...who else have you worked with..

[kiloman]

what exactly is nubain and why do people take it?

[diamondcalves]

Holy shit man, I didn't realize that the pro's use this much juice, especially just for precontest.

I hope to win a pro card one day and I am not afraid to use AAS, but I don't know about using them to THAT extent.

Arntz sounds like he's a regular junkie.

Actually, if you go drug by drug, it isn't that much at that level. There are guys that take alot more and aren't even pros. Jason only used one or two anadrols daily, and his test dosages weren't "out of this world". it's just that alot of meds. are usually required to get that big, full, dry look that's needed at that level. I don't know how RR says that all you need is test and gh. they may be the two most important drugs used, but they are not the only ones needed to look your best........

[brundel]

I think its funny sometimes how the line is blurred. Someone injecting painkillers is a junkie. Someone injecting AAS is not? I think it is what it is and some people that have not been acclimated to how abusive BB can be see black and white. Ephedrine is speed. How many people were and probably still are using it? Were they speed freaks? I think once you cross a certain line things become grey. At least for me they did.
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[benoitlapierre]

i really doubt the nubain if so it sad, you should had delete that nubain part, are you 100 % the relevance use of nubain if not you destroy image of this person , it a big cycle indeed he sure went in phase of discomfort or general malaise now and then

[diamondcalves]

ya, good shit dc...who else have you worked with..

Back then i worked with Matt Duvall, Andy Dinetta, Derrick Whitsett, Gerard Dente, Gunther Schlierkamp, Guy Ducasse, Carmela Cureton, Renee Johns, Johnny Morant, Stokely Palmer(I worked with Stokely again two years ago when he placed third at the nationals behind Desmond and Evan) and others who don't quite credit me with working with them, so I won't mention them. Craig Richardson used to pop up once in awhile, but back then he was officially working with Maz, and didn't want to offend him..........

[brundel]

Many BB's use pain killers. Nubain and GHB are commonly used to dull the effects of precontest dieting. I dont think his image is destroyed. This is, however, part of the reason the big guys dont post thier AAS and drug intake. If someone like a MR O said they used opiates or G can you imagine how much bullshit would be posted about them? Even if it was quite normal at that level.

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[diamondcalves]

i really doubt the nubain if so it sad, you should had delete that nubain part, are you 100 % the relevance use of nubain if not you destroy image of this person , it a big cycle indeed he sure went in phase of discomfort or general malaise now and then

The reason i mentioned the nubain is because it's true, and it's public information because a couple of years after turning pro, Jason got popped(his first arrest), and the cops found 16 cases(50/10cc bottles of per case. 800 bottles total)of nubain, plus X, steroids, gh, and a bunch of other shit. it was in all the papers, and everyone in the tri-state area knows about it. so it isn't a secret...............

[diamondcalves]

Many BB's use pain killers. Nubain and GHB are commonly used to dull the effects of precontest dieting. I dont think his image is destroyed. This is, however, part of the reason the big guys dont post thier AAS and drug intake. If someone like a MR O said they used opiates or G can you imagine how much bullshit would be posted about them? Even if it was quite normal at that level.

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Bro, it shows that you know what you're talking about. nubain wasn't something that made you a "bad guy". it was just like you said, it would dull the pain and hunger of the pre-contest phase, and then they would get hooked after the shows. good guys and bad(not to mention the girls)did nubain. at first, it was kinda like pulp fiction when John Travolta did the heroin. it was cool. but in the end, they all wish they never touched it. IF A MR OLYMPIA EVER ADMITS TO SUCH DRUG USE, HE'LL NEVER LIVE IT DOWN. that is why they NEVER post their cycles. atleast not entirely........

[Juggernaut LaRue]

This is seriously insane! I would never in a million years believe a human being could take this much substance... I will be competing at NPC level one day (like in a year or so) the most extreme I would ever go is 2 iu's of GH a day, 1 gram of Enth. a week, and a low level of Tren, and maybe like 16 caps of hydroxycut hardcore a day, I still even think that much enth that I have listed is too much.

Are we as bodybuilders craving instant gratification that we jepordize our organs using that much gear? And another note that is a lot of f-ing money spent a month just in anabolics, a damn lot!

[MiStyle]

that shit is ridiculous. so ur saying thats a common cycle of higher tier atheletes and most pros? i just dont believe thatall that is needed.. no matter how cut/dry/veiny/grainy u wanna be..

[Juggernaut LaRue]

I heard that at seminar that Lee Priest was at he only used during precontest, I know that he also used to balloon up back in the day, but this said this year, and Lee has been looking good year round lately, and with Lee's attitude I don't see him as ever being anything but honest...

[brundel]

what exactly is nubain and why do people take it?

Nubain is the street name for Nalbuphine hydrochloride.
It is an opiate agonist-antagonist closely related to naloxone. Naloxone is used for people overdosing on heroin as well as for rapid dexox as since it (naloxone) is a full agonist it will rip anything present off of the opiod receptors...sorry I can go on for days anyhoo>>>

Nalbuphine is a potent analgesic. Its analgesic potency is essentially equivalent to that of morphine on a milligram basis. Its onset of action occurs within 2 to 3 minutes after intravenous administration, and in less than 15 minutes following subcutaneous or intramuscular injection. The plasma half-life of nalbuphine is 5 hours and in clinical studies the duration of analgesic activity has been reported to range from 3 to 6 hours.
Nalbuphine is indicated for the relief of moderate to severe pain. It can also be used as a supplement to balanced anesthesia, for preoperative and postoperative analgesia, and for obstetrical analgesia during labor and delivery.
Although Nalbuphine possesses narcotic antagonist activity, there is evidence that in nondependent patients it will not antagonize a narcotic analgesic administered just before, concurrently, or just after an injection. Therefore, patients receiving a narcotic analgesic, general anesthetics, phenothiazines, or other tranquilizers, sedatives, hypnotics, or other CNS depressants (including alcohol) concomitantly with Nalbuphine may exhibit an additive effect.

[diamondcalves]

[quote=Juggernaut LaRue;1045172]This is seriously insane! I would never in a million years believe a human being could take this much substance... I will be competing at NPC level one day (like in a year or so) the most extreme I would ever go is 2 iu's of GH a day, 1 gram of Enth. a week, and a low level of Tren, and maybe like 16 caps of hydroxycut hardcore a day, I still even think that much enth that I have listed is too much.

Are we as bodybuilders craving instant gratification that we jepordize our organs using that much gear? And another note that is a lot of f-ing money spent a month just in anabolics, a damn lot![/quote In his defense, he didn't use harsh stuff like tren, halo. only the anadrol was kinda toxic. his test was about what you quoted that you may do, and the rest are lighter drugs like winstrol, primo, and eq. he did 7 anabolic/androgenic items at once. the only harsh drug in the mix was anadrol. and he only did one or two daily. not saying people should do this. just breaking it down a little.............

[diamondcalves]

that shit is ridiculous. so ur saying thats a common cycle of higher tier atheletes and most pros? i just dont believe thatall that is needed.. no matter how cut/dry/veiny/grainy u wanna be..

Never said it HAD to be this way to turn pro. in contrast, Andy Dinetta won his very first time at a national show(the 96' nationals. Jay Cutler won the heavies that year. Dexter placed 6th in the light-heavies, how things have changed!!)Andy won the middleweights, and did minimal gear, and NO GH. YES, I REPEAT, NO GH. he was freaky as a middleweight(we dropped him from a light-heavy), and was broke at the time. so he just trained hard, had a perfect diet, and wasn't using social drugs such as nubain at the time. he did about 750mgs of test enanthate, 350mgs of eq, about 30mgs of d-bol, and 50mgs of winstrol inj eod. that was it other than a little bit of t3(25mcgs daily), 4-6 clen daily, and 1mg of arimidex for the last 6 weeks. so not everyone HAS to do what someone else does. but i have to repeat, what Jason did was nothing compared to the bigger guys. i knew guys that did anadrol, halotestin and d-bols at the same time, in an effort to make their gh work better. they reasoned that the androgens worked best with gh. THUS THE DISTENDED BELLIES OF THE ERA.................

[diamondcalves]

thats a very light cycle for a professional bodybuilder.

and it shows up in jason arntz physique.

thanks for sharing diamond.

LOL,LOL. I totally agree with you on both counts...ha,ha,ha,ha.....................