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  • Pyramiding

    36 14.01%
  • Flat Pyramiding

    43 16.73%
  • Short and Heavy

    41 15.95%
  • Staggered

    26 10.12%
  • Front-loading

    60 23.35%
  • Jump Starting

    31 12.06%
  • Bridging

    26 10.12%
  • Not sure

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Thread: AAS: Steroid cycle structure

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    Quote Originally Posted by paradox View Post
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    Ive never dont EQ before, would it be a good idea to combine that with winni at the end of my cylce?? to harden
    Eq is Boldenone with the undecylenate, a very heavy ester. Unless you could obtain the parent hormone with a lighter ester, it's probably to complicated run at the tail end of a cycle - unless duration was very long. By the time Boldenone undecylenate builds up blood levels (can take 4-5 weeks to level off), your probably thinking of ending the cycle all together. Otherwise, a short ester, or a heavy front-load, would help in this instance.

    Anyway... don't worry too much about getting soft while on a mass cycle. If anything, it could simply exhibit the fact that you kept your calories high enough for muscle gains (some simply get burnt out from over-eating)... with some fat storage spill-over. However, you'll harden up pretty easy as blood androgen levels drop and you switch into PCT.

    But how and when to harden up would depend on the cycle you are actually on. This is one reason I strongly advocate pre-cycle priming, to get bodyfat down before beginning - so mass gains can be better appreciated and of higher quality.

    I do like ending a cycle with long esters (but they would need to be ran from the beginning unless you use a long staggered-type cycle), it allows a 2-3 week (ester-dependent) androgen drop that can be used to increase cardio a bit. Just don't train for fat loss once all the gear has cleared your system (active lives have expired and you begin Clomid loading) - this type of training can delay proper HPTA functioning. During Clomid loading, calorie intake must not be restricted and a general, abbreviated maintenance training routine makes recovery much quicker.

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    I am going to sticky this thread - lets keep the feedback coming regarding what everyone has learned about proper steriod cycling protocols and how each has affected your performance and/or body composition.

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    I like just a straight dose throughout cycle, and tapering off with short esters at the end, but keeping the relative androgen level the same. as well as intermittent oral use, on workout days only, just to lessen toxicity. Gains are maybe 75% of what daily use is, but the trade off is well worth it IMO.

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    40mgs of dbol on workout days only (4 days a week)

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    none of those. There's no point of pyramids, once you are on, your nuts are shut off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Youngguns View Post
    none of those. There's no point of pyramids, once you are on, your nuts are shut off.
    Flat pyramiding refers to maintaining the same dose for the duration. But the poll was mostly meant for people with personal experience... through trial and error.

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    I was going to say, what forum did Youngguns read that on???

    3 choices for me: flat, short and heavy, and front loading.

    All three are great, depending on your experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Youngguns View Post
    none of those. There's no point of pyramids, once you are on, your nuts are shut off.

    who is this kid to talk, he has never used before

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    I would have to say it depends on the person & trying different things.
    The best thing that worked for me was:

    500mg of Sustanon a day,,,6/days/week = 3 grams
    100mg of Tren every day
    3iu of a high quality HGh,,,6/days/week
    D-tabs 5mg. 4 a day

    All that for 4 weeks take 2 weeks off while taking Clomid then do another 4 weeks substituting Winstol Depot every day for the Tren & repeat for 6 months. @ every other 2 week break adding hCG 15000 to 20000 iu. & every other 4 week cycle using a Nolvadex every other day for the last 2 weeks.

    After this type of run, a 4 to 6 month break is needed. It will take that long for your balls to pop back even with hCG & Clomid at the end.
    Be sure to take a kidney & liver detoxifier during the entire thing. There are some other tricks, but I can't give all the secrets away.

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    Definitely a jump start, but thats me, Im 6'8 300!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by leave1 View Post
    I was going to say, what forum did Youngguns read that on???

    3 choices for me: flat, short and heavy, and front loading.

    All three are great, depending on your experience.
    1000mg wk 16wks

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    i am old school but it works. pyramiding with short and heavy 2/3 into the cycle. not for newbies. i will try flat pyramiding for the first time soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    Ive tried many different ways of cycling over the years and looking back over my cycle diary its when ive used short burst cycles coupled with a prime is when ive built the most muscle. Recovering from cycles is a major problem for many and with burst cycles ive recovered fast which in turn as led me to maintain the new found muscle better.
    I'm starting to believe you, go on marcus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrior View Post
    Those are easier to recover from (more so if you avoid stacking progestins) and if the pre-cycle window is opened by properly preparing for the cycle, they still be very productive despite the duration.
    What do you mean stacking Progestins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dtekt54 View Post
    What do you mean stacking Progestins?
    Nandrolone drugs like Decca.
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    i like shic's myself.... 4wks only

    wk1 1 sust.250 ED for 7days
    wks2-4 50mg prop. ED

    not a killer dose but it works for me.

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    16 weeks flat and pretty heavy 1-2 grams/wk total
    after this cycle im on now which is 12 weeks im gonna do a 4 weeks PCT + another 4 weeks off.....then a super heavy blitz to a bridge and then go right into off season cycle.....then pct with a good 10 weeks off then get ready for next year when im gonna compete......

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    i would probably say flat pyramiding

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