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    It's a riddle, wrapped in an enigma, surrounded by a conundrum.

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    I've commented before up above saying "this is great" and I must say again, that this is indeed..great. Getting ready for pct now soon and clomid/aromasin it is.

    Every time I read this i feel happy.

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    I thought test was legal and you could get it at GNC?

    I also thought the side effect was 1) rage 2) acne 3) bad sleep

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluecountry View Post
    I thought test was legal and you could get it at GNC?

    I also thought the side effect was 1) rage 2) acne 3) bad sleep
    Joke right? Good one
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    Thanks mate and it was very helpfull. I am new on here and that was just the info I was looking for...Keep up the good work...

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyiron View Post
    I have pinned thousands of times and never had an infection.

    Look at the chart in post 3. Waiting 7 days to pin is a roller coaster for hormones.

    HCG will speed recovery but you can get along without it if you don't mind a delayed recovery.
    How would your AI dosing change if HCG isn't present on cycle or through PCT?

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    Heavy, as somebody interested in someday using AAS, I'm wondering a few things.
    OK...so I'm 26...5 11 and 180ish.

    Maintaince for me on non-workout days would be 2400.
    On work out days maybe 2600 (guesstimates).

    If I go ahead with your first cycle...in order to reap the benefits...what do my macros need to be?

    I usually on non workout days get 2600, 180 as protein.
    On workout days I get 2800-300, 180 as protein.

    If I follow this macro diet (and I simply can't due to GI reasons have a 3-4K diet), will I still be able to have the strength and size gains one would desire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluecountry View Post
    Heavy, as somebody interested in someday using AAS, I'm wondering a few things.
    OK...so I'm 26...5 11 and 180ish.

    Maintaince for me on non-workout days would be 2400.
    On work out days maybe 2600 (guesstimates).

    If I go ahead with your first cycle...in order to reap the benefits...what do my macros need to be?

    I usually on non workout days get 2600, 180 as protein.
    On workout days I get 2800-300, 180 as protein.

    If I follow this macro diet (and I simply can't due to GI reasons have a 3-4K diet), will I still be able to have the strength and size gains one would desire?
    Nutritional intake. Energy and protein intakes were standardized at 36 kcal kg1 day1 and 1.2 g kg1 day1, respectively. The standardized diet was initiated 2 wk before treatment was started; dietary instructions were reinforced every 4 wk. The nutritional intake was verified by analysis of 3-day food records and 24-h food recalls every 4 wk by use of the Minnesota Nutritional Software.

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    thanks heavyiron for realy good info and im glad im not just jumping in this but whats your thought about adding two 10mg Anabol Methandienone tabs a day with your first cycle?? thanks

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    Great post!

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    Heavy,

    Is there a rule of thumb for maximal amount of time you should be on an AI. For example if you ran .5mg eod for 12 weeks strait while on test is it ok to continue this through pct until the esters clear? or will being on this long create a massive estro rebound?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rah22491 View Post
    Heavy,

    Is there a rule of thumb for maximal amount of time you should be on an AI. For example if you ran .5mg eod for 12 weeks strait while on test is it ok to continue this through pct until the esters clear? or will being on this long create a massive estro rebound?

    Thanks
    There have been many studies on long term AI usage and 4 months is no problem.

    You will have a little rebound with Adex but probably almost none with Aromasin.
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    what about using letro as your AI instead of Aromasin? also, although i havent used it, doesnt the use of HCG cause estrogen levels to rise, and wouldn't this cause gyno? so then, what is better to use for estrogen levels, and wont cause a huge rebound?
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    Quote Originally Posted by weightslayer View Post
    what about using letro as your AI instead of Aromasin? also, although i havent used it, doesnt the use of HCG cause estrogen levels to rise, and wouldn't this cause gyno? so then, what is better to use for estrogen levels, and wont cause a huge rebound?
    Letro will work but it is not a suicide inhibitor so once you stop using it you may have estro rebound. Since Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor it is best for PCT.

    HCG does cause a rise in Testosterone that can aromatize. That is exactly why I recommend Aromasin.
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    So Aromasin and HCG on cycle is a must? What if one were to do 500mg per week Test E and 500mg HCG per week, 2 injections of 250mg for both each week, and didn't use an AI? Bad idea?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kontour View Post
    So Aromasin and HCG on cycle is a must? What if one were to do 500mg per week Test E and 500mg HCG per week, 2 injections of 250mg for both each week, and didn't use an AI? Bad idea?
    Yeah your estradiol would go pretty high doing that.
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    Hey Heavy, Thanks for the great post.

    My question: I have 3 weeks left on a 10 week Test Prop (150mg EOD) cycle. I've been running 50mg of Proviron daily and 25mg or Aromasin. I have Nolvadex for PCT.

    I was going to run 40/40/20/20 with the Nolva and 25mg daily of Aromasin for 4 weeks.

    I only have one 5000iu vial of HCG is there anyway I can incorporate it into my PCT and help my recovery?

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