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    Quote Originally Posted by monaincha View Post
    Hey Heavy, Thanks for the great post.

    My question: I have 3 weeks left on a 10 week Test Prop (150mg EOD) cycle. I've been running 50mg of Proviron daily and 25mg or Aromasin. I have Nolvadex for PCT.

    I was going to run 40/40/20/20 with the Nolva and 25mg daily of Aromasin for 4 weeks.

    I only have one 5000iu vial of HCG is there anyway I can incorporate it into my PCT and help my recovery?
    The last day of your prop inject start 1,000iu HCG ed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyiron View Post
    The last day of your prop inject start 1,000iu HCG ed.
    Thanks Heavy, so if I pinned 1000iu daily for 5 days straight should I start the nolva 40/40/20/20 on day 6? Also should I just keep running the aromasin like I am daily to the very end of my pct, even during the hcg period?

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    Quote Originally Posted by monaincha View Post
    Thanks Heavy, so if I pinned 1000iu daily for 5 days straight should I start the nolva 40/40/20/20 on day 6? Also should I just keep running the aromasin like I am daily to the very end of my pct, even during the hcg period?
    Yes and yes =)
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    Question. I'm curretnly running 750mg enanthate weekly and using dex at .5mg MWF along with Nolv at 20mg Daily (I've been on a while...) When I start my HCG at 1000 IU ed after my last pin, should I continue with my ancillaries as I have been or cut them out for the approximate 15 days I'm using HCG?

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    Quote Originally Posted by toeheadskater View Post
    Question. I'm curretnly running 750mg enanthate weekly and using dex at .5mg MWF along with Nolv at 20mg Daily (I've been on a while...) When I start my HCG at 1000 IU ed after my last pin, should I continue with my ancillaries as I have been or cut them out for the approximate 15 days I'm using HCG?
    Keep them in there. HCG can cause a rise in estro.
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    Thank you Heavy for all of your posts. I have learned a great deal reading your work and know that it takes a shitload of time and effort to do the research and post. Again, thank you for doing what you do.

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    Heavy, (or anyone who can answer),

    After a stack of injectables, a buddy of mine went on a d-bol ony cycle yielding great results - I witnessed.

    Well, when he ordered more, instead of d-bol, he received a bottle of Metanabol - with a reason stating that they were out of d-bol and that (Metanbol) is basically the same as d-bol. Any truth to this?

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    Heavy,

    Can you check out this thread? :

    http://forums.musculardevelopment.co...ad.php?t=90243

    I am thinking of running your first recommended cycle (but with test cyp, then possibly switching to test prop or susp because of the shorter detection time), with the same AI and HCG. However, if you check out that banned list, found here: http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/Wo...st_2010_EN.pdf

    It shows all of those basically being banned. How far out from a competition could I run this (10 weeks of the test, then pct) and be safe? Or do you have any other recommendations?

    I know the detection times of the test, but, having a hard time finding it for some of the ai/hcg (for during)/pct stuff...
    Last edited by superquick; July 5th, 2010 at 09:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyiron View Post
    Keep them in there. HCG can cause a rise in estro.
    I know this question is very similar to the above post, but would it be ok to discontinue use of the adex (dont have aromasin) a few days after ceasing hcg and once on nolva. Maybe im off base, but have read that together is a bit overkill. Thanks in advance heavy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rah22491 View Post
    I know this question is very similar to the above post, but would it be ok to discontinue use of the adex (dont have aromasin) a few days after ceasing hcg and once on nolva. Maybe im off base, but have read that together is a bit overkill. Thanks in advance heavy
    You should continue running your AI until pct is over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rah22491 View Post
    I know this question is very similar to the above post, but would it be ok to discontinue use of the adex (dont have aromasin) a few days after ceasing hcg and once on nolva. Maybe im off base, but have read that together is a bit overkill. Thanks in advance heavy
    Its a tough call. Some guys get a pretty big rise in estro from nolva. If you do stop the adex you could restart it near the end of the Nolva treatment.
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    is it possible to get bloodwork done before taking any steroids to know what I need and don't need steroid-wise? How do I go to the hospital about this?

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    I'm about to start a cycle of Test E for 20 wks @ 600mg a week, what is a good post cycle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyiron View Post
    The last day of your prop inject start 1,000iu HCG ed.
    Hey Heavy, I was able to get another vial of HCG 5000 iu's. I now have a total of 10,000 iu's HCG, Should I pin 2,000 iu's daily for 5 days straight instead of 1,000 iu's? My testes have shrunken considerably and I haven't pinned any HCG during my 12 week test prop/proviron cycle.

    Thanks for all the help.

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    Hi Heavy:

    Are there any long term side effects from Aromisin that a user should be aware of? Given it's "suicidal" description, by permanently disabling the estrogen receptor, will there by anything to consider with that lasting effect in later life for a male user?

    Many many thanks!

    J

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    Quote Originally Posted by MkWzrdJ View Post
    Hi Heavy:

    Are there any long term side effects from Aromisin that a user should be aware of? Given it's "suicidal" description, by permanently disabling the estrogen receptor, will there by anything to consider with that lasting effect in later life for a male user?

    Many many thanks!

    J
    AI's and SERM's have been used for years in post menopausal women with some side effects so you may want to determine your level of risk and check the package insert for those side effects.

    I think you are confusing receptors with aromatase enzymes. Your body is capable of making new aromatase enzymes.
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    Hello Heavyiron. I read this from another forum and please let me know of your own opinion on this HCG protocol. It's much diff than yours in terms of the dosage. HCG starts after 3 weeks of cycling and as for PCT, only 1000iu/week. Is the dosage too low? Also it says that you should stop AI 4 days after last HCG shot. :/


    hCG Dosing Guidelines

    - Human Chorionic Gonadotropin -

    For each cycle length the first one listed (1) is for low dose HCG throughout/on-cycle (Preferred method)

    The second line (2) is for hCG during last few weeks only of the cycle (only if hCG was NOT used during cycle)

    1-6 week cycle
    (1) No hCG needed
    (2) No hCG needed

    8 week cycle
    (1) 250iu every 4 days* from week 3-8
    (2) One 1000iu shot per week for 2 weeks with AI? taken daily

    12 week cycle
    (1) 250iu every 4 days* from week 3-12
    (2) One 1000iu shot per week for 3 weeks with AI? taken daily

    16 week cycle
    (1) 250iu every 4 days* from week 3-8
    Take a 2 week break
    250iu every 4 days* from week 11-16
    (2) One 1000iu shot per week for 3 weeks with AI? taken daily

    * Every 4 days = Shoot on Monday, then on Friday, then on Tuesday, ect.
    ? AI - Aromatase Inhibitor (While taking 1000iu shots, I recommend 10mg/ED of Aromasin or .5mg/ED Arimidex to keep estrogen in control. Discontinue 4 days after last hCG shot.)

    If you are doing the on-cycle hCG protocol it is important to discontinue hCG 2 weeks prior to AAS clearance. Therefore, when you officially start PCT you will be clean of all AAS's and will be 14 days from your last hCG shot. This allows your testes to become re-sensitized to the body's LH signal from the brain, making for a quick recovery of natural testosterone production as soon as the steroids and hCG clear the system. This is another reason why on-cycle hCG is superior, because it allows you to start recovering as soon as PCT begins.

    If you aren't doing hCG on-cycle, then use hCG according to the last few weeks guidelines, and start it 4-5 weeks before the AAS's are expected to clear the system (Or as soon as possible if you are already past this point).

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