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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyiron View Post
    Keep them in there. HCG can cause a rise in estro.
    What is your opinion on the Esplendido HRT guy over at Rx on not using Hcg for PCT as he says that it will prevent true return of normal natural test levels until you stop Hcg?

    And I've read that while Hcg is great for PCT short term, never run it more than 3 weeks or it could cause permanent shutdown. So why or how can you use it while on cycle (lower dosed) and PCT for long durations? If the former where true than HRT docs would not use it or would it not matter in that population as they are probably permantly too low anyways?

    Last question, I know the best first cycle is Test and Test only. But is it an absolute "no no" to run Dbol for first 4 weeks of this first cycle to get the ball rolling real proper like?!

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    One more question Heavy, i can't get my hands on aromasin, it's impossible to get it here.

    Can i proceed with adex for on-cycle and PCT? Would there be any changes in terms of dosage? Cheers.

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    One more question Heavy, I can't get my hands on Aromasin since it's impossible to find it in my country.

    Can i proceed with adex while on cycle and for PCT?

    Cheers

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    wow thanks for posting this. good thing i read it before i became another idiot posting the same question lol

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    Ok, here is my question. I do not have the means to get aromasin. My PCT will be nolva, clomid, HCG. What could I take besides aromasin during a cycle to keep my estrogen levels in check. Also will be using HcG during cycle as well. This is also my first cycle. I am worried about gyno during cycle. From reading what Heavy wrote. I could take tamoxifen as a emergency purpose but if I did not want to wait that long, what can I take during besides aromasin? thanks guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unvme2 View Post
    Ok, here is my question. I do not have the means to get aromasin. My PCT will be nolva, clomid, HCG. What could I take besides aromasin during a cycle to keep my estrogen levels in check. Also will be using HcG during cycle as well. This is also my first cycle. I am worried about gyno during cycle. From reading what Heavy wrote. I could take tamoxifen as a emergency purpose but if I did not want to wait that long, what can I take during besides aromasin? thanks guys
    You can take arimidex from what Heavy wrote (first page)

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    Would anyone suggest Sustanon 250 for a first cycle? or is that just too complicated because it is a mixture of four different testosterones?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdilla2812 View Post
    Would anyone suggest Sustanon 250 for a first cycle? or is that just too complicated because it is a mixture of four different testosterones?
    Should be no problem
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    Heavy, for the PCT can I just use 11-oxo in place of Vitamin C for it's role in keeping the cortisol in check?

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    Heavy,
    Have a friend that is starting a test e cycle for 8 weeks. Everyone is telling him different things about pct's. What do you recommend for him?

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    HI...wouldn't doing a cycle of just Deca alone be just as effective?

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    ^^^^
    explain your reasoning behind this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluecountry View Post
    HI...wouldn't doing a cycle of just Deca alone be just as effective?
    You can add LBM with Deca alone but there will be a number of unwanted side effects like loss of libido not to mention a harder recovery. Many times Nandrolone is more difficult to deal with when sides present therefore Testosterone is recommended as a first cycle and as a base to future cycles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDHall View Post
    Heavy,
    Have a friend that is starting a test e cycle for 8 weeks. Everyone is telling him different things about pct's. What do you recommend for him?
    The PCT protocol is explained in the first post. Read it a few times and post any follow up questions you may have if needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flavalava View Post
    Hello Heavyiron. I read this from another forum and please let me know of your own opinion on this HCG protocol. It's much diff than yours in terms of the dosage. HCG starts after 3 weeks of cycling and as for PCT, only 1000iu/week. Is the dosage too low? Also it says that you should stop AI 4 days after last HCG shot. :/
    Quote Originally Posted by dnice91369 View Post
    What is your opinion on the Esplendido HRT guy over at Rx on not using Hcg for PCT as he says that it will prevent true return of normal natural test levels until you stop Hcg?
    Herein lies the "conflict" that is becoming more and more aggressive in the last year. There's about 50% of folks online saying to use HCG and an AI both during cycle and PCT, and then other 50% of folks saying to only use HCG and an AI on cycle and NOT on PCT (or only partially).

    heavyiron, I shot you over a PM (I apologize in advance about stuffing your Inbox with something that should probably be asked here), but basically it was on the lines of what I just stated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unvme2 View Post
    Ok, here is my question. I do not have the means to get aromasin. My PCT will be nolva, clomid, HCG. What could I take besides aromasin during a cycle to keep my estrogen levels in check. Also will be using HcG during cycle as well. This is also my first cycle. I am worried about gyno during cycle. From reading what Heavy wrote. I could take tamoxifen as a emergency purpose but if I did not want to wait that long, what can I take during besides aromasin? thanks guys
    there are scads of these AIs around now. arimidex and letrozole are the first that come to mind. both of these can be obtained through research companies or foreign pharmacies. There are also a few (likely weaker) AIs offered by supplement companies, but i cant recommend any. Perhaps heavy can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdilla2812 View Post
    Would anyone suggest Sustanon 250 for a first cycle? or is that just too complicated because it is a mixture of four different testosterones?
    Yes, that's fine. It's all Test with different esters. It's mean to last a long time, but what it does is give you a rapid peak and a long decay. If you use sustanon i recommend breaking up your shots into at least 2 times per week.
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