Nick Walker is an absolute beast!

[GeorgeUK]

I've never heard of him bad mouth anyone. In fact the one person that went out of his way to bad mouth him, got nothing but support and encouragement from Nick in return.
What he came through as a 12 yr old and the fine prospect he is and how he treats his family gives him a bye.

[Big Beat]

Nick was a bit cocky at times on Fouad's show.

[MICHAEL ARVILLA]

Saying you are going to win ten Olympia’s when you haven’t even stepped on a pro stage is a bit much.... but I guess we shall see ...

[Griff11]

Also killing is a pretty severe accusation.
I am not on anyone's side when it comes to this subject but very rarely do I see anyone mention Chad. And I don't know about you guys but the so called Chad cycle I saw, not that long time ago I think it was posted by Ron Harris was pretty fucking scary.

Wasn't Dallas also working with him when the whole collapsing thing happened at the Arnold Classic Australia?

Dallas worked with Chad for 4 months. Chad fired him after the debucal in Melbourne. Dallas died in August under Jansen's watch. He had been with Jansen for the bulk for a few years before working with Chad. For reasons I can't post here it got swept under the rug.

[harmankardon]

Dallas worked with Chad for 4 months. Chad fired him after the debucal in Melbourne. Dallas died in August under Jansen's watch. He had been with Jansen for the bulk for a few years before working with Chad. For reasons I can't post here it got swept under the rug.

X2 it had nothing to do with Chad.... He was on the scene for 5 minutes.

its on dallas himself and Jansen, jansen was in Dallas corner for years, they developed the push push push mindset together. The collapse should have been the wake up call, I was on here (and a number of other forum regulars) posting that it was Time to see a dr and take a year break from the stage, 6 months off the gear.

what did Jansen's and Dallas decide to do? Go harder than ever and get up to 340 pounds offseason, it was madness. If Jansen was a health professional he would be held accountable on a wrongful death suit. Much like Michael jacksons dr was.

whats even more concerning was how seemingly flippant Jansen was after the death, seemed to shrug it off and move onto the next guy, he distanced himself from it, and now has another super young guy and Jansen is doing the EXACT same approach with him that he used with Dallas? That to me says a lot about the type of person Jansen is.

[Griff11]

X2 it had nothing to do with Chad.... He was on the scene for 5 minutes.

its on dallas himself and Jansen, jansen was in Dallas corner for years, they developed the push push push mindset together. The collapse should have been the wake up call, I was on here (and a number of other forum regulars) posting that it was Time to see a dr and take a year break from the stage, 6 months off the gear.

what did Jansen's and Dallas decide to do? Go harder than ever and get up to 340 pounds offseason, it was madness. If Jansen was a health professional he would be held accountable on a wrongful death suit. Much like Michael jacksons dr was.

whats even more concerning was how seemingly flippant Jansen was after the death, seemed to shrug it off and move onto the next guy, he distanced himself from it, and now has another super young guy and Jansen is doing the EXACT same approach with him that he used with Dallas? That to me says a lot about the type of person Jansen is.

I get the the media's hands were tied on the Dallas subject. It's just part of the business. It's a different story now. Let's all sit back and say nothing and pretend that it's good eating and heavy basic lifts. As I remember Dorian never had the tren tan. Shit strong men look healthier and those guys have him by a 100 pounds.. I'll get called a hater for this but I'm only saying what a good number of people are thinking

[Beti ona]

Saying you are going to win ten Olympia’s when you haven’t even stepped on a pro stage is a bit much.... .

Too idiot and unnecesary.

[Beti ona]

Interesting. That you gained, but only with high amount of body fat. Even when you eat bodybuilding diet and work out.. There can be some health issues. Maybe high stress for some reason..

Tons of oatmeal, of course, I felt strong and big, also my vision was distorted at the time and I couldn't see that I was accumulating so much bodyfat. Blood tests showed worrying results regarding the liver, so I decided to shift my focus to lower body weight, less quantity but higher quality of food, and more focus on strength gain.

[Beti ona]

Well kinda obvious but not impossible, I can do that pretty easily.
And besides who only eats food like that. There are so many other great food sources to choose from.

Anyways the other point which you completely disregarded is that he was already fat. Any if you know anything about what happens on physiological level and how that will shift the muscle - fat gaining ratio then you'd know that pushing the body weight even further is not a very good idea.

No, no, I wasn't fat before I started, I was skinny, but I wanted to build up size and I wasn't thinking about anything else to eat. And yes, I always ate clean, or what I thought was clean at the time. My perspective of what a clean meal is is not the same now as it was before, but I certainly did not enjoy cheat meals or junk foods often, which makes me feel more miserable, as I gained fat without enjoying tasty foods.

[Beti ona]

It is hard to get fat on really clean bodybuilding diet high in protein, moderate in carbs, low in fats..

It was a diet high in protein and carbs, perhaps moderate in fat. But I ate whole eggs, for example. Again, I just wanted to eat as much as possible to put on size, a stupid approach but influenced by the massive bodybuilders in the magazines of that time who weren't in good condition in the off-season like they are now.

[Griff11]

Okay fair enough.
But can you explain me one thing?
If Chad was so much better person and a coach why didn't he do anything?
I mean if you look at Dallas' autopsy it's pretty obvious that those symptoms did not happen over night. So why didn't he intervene?
Also you are claiming as if the relationship Matt had with Dallas didn't mean anything to him but I'd like to think otherwise. Matt named his own son after Dallas, Matt still has the Dallas Shirt hanging on his wall behind his work desk and he also regularly posts memories of Dallas like he was his own son. Was he flippant or was he just absolutely genuinely devastated and shocked about what happened like any "parent" would be?

He can name his kid Dallas but he still killed him. Chad did something he fired Dallas.

Dude there is way too much that I can't say here.

[harmankardon]

Okay fair enough.
But can you explain me one thing?
If Chad was so much better person and a coach why didn't he do anything?
I mean if you look at Dallas' autopsy it's pretty obvious that those symptoms did not happen over night. So why didn't he intervene?
Also you are claiming as if the relationship Matt had with Dallas didn't mean anything to him but I'd like to think otherwise. Matt named his own son after Dallas, Matt still has the Dallas Shirt hanging on his wall behind his work desk and he also regularly posts memories of Dallas like he was his own son. Was he flippant or was he just absolutely genuinely devastated and shocked about what happened like any "parent" would be?

Chad isn't physic, he can't know what is happening in Dallas body.. And as griff said Chad dumped Dallas, which was the right move.

matt can hang a shirt on his wall and say whatever, the truth is he dropped the ball, made a series of huge mistakes and ended up killing his closest client....

since then he hasnt learned from it and is now using the exact same strategy on the next guy, still acting like he's got all the answers.

[Griff11]

Chad isn't physic, he can't know what is happening in Dallas body.. And as griff said Chad dumped Dallas, which was the right move.

matt can hang a shirt on his wall and say whatever, the truth is he dropped the ball, made a series of huge mistakes and ended up killing his closest client....

since then he hasnt learned from it and is now using the exact same strategy on the next guy, still acting like he's got all the answers.

Chad didn't give Dallas epo so he could run two grams of tren.

[harmankardon]

Chad didn't give Dallas epo so he could run two grams of tren.

Madness, syrup blood.!

[Beti ona]

I found it incredible that Matt named Dallas in the interview with Ron when he said that life gave him a second chance with the arrival of Nick, that did not sound good at all.

But without wanting to defend Matt, Nick and his family must know what kind of guru he is and what protocols he will use.