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  • #16
    Still subjective, the level of size, condition and dryness ... yes, striations ... a little, a lot, when is it dry enough? If a girl has the proportions but has striations, should you lose to a girl without striations but with a bigger waist?

    The rules change over the years, especially when new divisions are added.

    The official pages show some criteria, but the pattern to follow is that of the reigning champion.

    Also, I believe (I have no evidence for this) that pro competitors receive annual updates on what the judges are looking for. They also receive feedback before and / or after competitions.

    Of course, when listening to many judges, some just talk shit and want to get rid of the competitor in a diplomatic way. Others are honest people who will tell what that person needs to hear: make improvements here and there, you need more sweep, better condition, you are in the wrong division, you are not good for this sport, etc ...
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Beti ona View Post
      Still subjective, the level of size, condition and dryness ... yes, striations ... a little, a lot, when is it dry enough? If a girl has the proportions but has striations, should you lose to a girl without striations but with a bigger waist?

      The rules change over the years, especially when new divisions are added.

      The official pages show some criteria, but the pattern to follow is that of the reigning champion.

      Also, I believe (I have no evidence for this) that pro competitors receive annual updates on what the judges are looking for. They also receive feedback before and / or after competitions.

      Of course, when listening to many judges, some just talk shit and want to get rid of the competitor in a diplomatic way. Others are honest people who will tell what that person needs to hear: make improvements here and there, you need more sweep, better condition, you are in the wrong division, you are not good for this sport, etc ...
      1. Having visible striations is a totally objective standard. You either have 'em or you don't.

      2. The official rule book, is what any sport is governed by. If any pro, goes against the official rules,
      they get penalized. AFTER that, going forward you can change the rules to reflect desired changes.

      3.Without a clear , consistent standard, 10 different judges can judge by 10 different criteria .
      Last edited by Howard; June 15, 2021, 11:59 AM.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Beti ona View Post



        The standard is always the Olympia champion. The latest winners weren't big, hard, or dry, so the direction is clear.
        Ok? But without established standards how do they judge the Olympia?

        I saw a star, reached for it...and MISSED

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        • #19
          Those of us who follow the division have it quite clear, although we will never all agree 100% with the decisions of the judges. I suggest you do the same instead of looking for the official guidelines, or worry about male bodybuilding and forget about the figure.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Beti ona View Post
            Those of us who follow the division have it quite clear, although we will never all agree 100% with the decisions of the judges. I suggest you do the same instead of looking for the official guidelines, or worry about male bodybuilding and forget about the figure.
            .

            Ok, since you don't want to use "official guidelines", what criteria should be used to judge?
            Which judge is "right" if everyone uses their own criteria ? See the problem?

            Perhaps, I need to get some actual judging experience before I comment LOL ?

            Look Beti, I'll openly admit YOUR perspective reflects the majority within the current contest scene.
            Nobody wants some "rule Nazi" telling everyone what's right and wrong .

            The problem is, without adhering to "official guidelines", the winning ideals change with the wind.
            C'mon now, ignoring the official rules only promotes chaos and confusion.


            Last edited by Howard; June 15, 2021, 04:50 PM.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Howard View Post
              The problem is, without adhering to "official guidelines", the winning ideals change with the wind.
              C'mon now, ignoring the official rules only promotes chaos and confusion.
              But that has always been the case, many athletes are adjusting their entire careers to adapt to what the judges want from them.

              There are dozens of subjective sports, even if the judges show their score tables there are still many complaints and controversies. The scoring codes for these sports are changed each Olympic cycle. We are talking about regulated and (supposedly) serious sports.

              We know that bodybuilding is in a lost place between WWE and serious sport.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Beti ona View Post

                But that has always been the case, many athletes are adjusting their entire careers to adapt to what the judges want from them.

                There are dozens of subjective sports, even if the judges show their score tables there are still many complaints and controversies. The scoring codes for these sports are changed each Olympic cycle. We are talking about regulated and (supposedly) serious sports.

                We know that bodybuilding is in a lost place between WWE and serious sport.
                Good, thoughtful reply

                1. Yes, but the judged Olympic sport have specific standards and display every judges score after each athlete in each round.
                Bodybuilding has few clear standards and hides the judges scores until the actual competition is over.

                2. My personal view wants bodybuilding to move towards being a more transparent, legit sport.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Howard View Post
                  2. My personal view wants bodybuilding to move towards being a more transparent, legit sport.
                  It is not something easy to achieve, many olympics sports have been trying for decades.

                  There is no will within the organization to improve these aspects.

                  There is no demand from competitors, fans....

                  So, why the hell to bother?
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Beti ona View Post

                    It is not something easy to achieve, many olympics sports have been trying for decades.

                    There is no will within the organization to improve these aspects.

                    There is no demand from competitors, fans....

                    So, why the hell to bother?
                    I suspect my BB contest ideals , died with Ben and Joe Weider .

                    Before they passed away , David Pecker publisher of the National Enquirer ( AMI inc),bought their mags with the rights to the Olympia.
                    When the biggest tabloid and gossip magazine takes over, you know things aren't headed in a more legitimate direction LOL
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                    • #25
                      Well, Pecker was a bastard, but the judgments weren't clearer or better during the entire Weider era.

                      FYI Pecker is no longer related to bodybuilding or MO.

                      Honestly, I think the judgements are now better than ever, less political.
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                      • #26
                        Judges should be smart, not confused
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Noel Fuller View Post
                          Judges should be smart, not confused
                          I'm dumb as a rock and confused as virgin bride on her wedding night.

                          So, I quit judging and did the sport of BB a favor.
                          I saw a star, reached for it...and MISSED

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Beti ona View Post
                            Well, Pecker was a bastard, but the judgments weren't clearer or better during the entire Weider era.

                            FYI Pecker is no longer related to bodybuilding or MO.

                            Honestly, I think the judgements are now better than ever, less political.
                            LOL, the sport of BB had it's questionable judging picks over the years 'eh ( 1980, 81 Olympia )
                            I'm finally going to sit back and just enjoy WATCHING contests now, without any official involvement.

                            Now when I say, nobody cares about my OPINIONS on contests...it's OFFICIAL
                            I saw a star, reached for it...and MISSED

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