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  • #16
    Its important to expose the mistruths of bodybuilding.

    Its important to people interested in the history of bodybuilding. An awful lot is placed on these guys being natural.

    Its always worth exposing bullshit.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Big Beat View Post
      Its important to expose the mistruths of bodybuilding.

      Its important to people interested in the history of bodybuilding. An awful lot is placed on these guys being natural.

      Its always worth exposing bullshit.

      I guess I agree, in a sense, with the overall idea of "knowledge is power", and "righting the wrongs of the lie-filled past".



      Same time, I tend to think that this speculation just drives dumb thinking.



      Point is, in the 13 years I worked as an in-person personal trainer, I prepped numerous individuals who carried more size, were leaner, and had better shape, than either of the guys in this video. To that end, the REAL question people want answered is, "Is this type of physique POSSIBLE naturally?" The answer is a resounding, "Yes-- and actually, you can get WAY more jacked than this, naturally, with the right genetics, if you ALSO know how to train and eat right (which these two only did, to a limited degree; they were pioneers for their time, but living in the dark ages of the science of the sport).



      -David

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Howard View Post
        I met Steve Reeves when I was an AAU Mr America judge in the early 90's.
        Even as an older man, he had a unique "presence ". A real gentleman.

        His big contest wins ( Mr A, Mr U ) were several years BEFORE the FDA approval of dianabol *1958).

        Since the others featured in the clip were from the same era, they couldn't have used "steroids".
        D-bol was the first steroid, developed by Dr Ziegler in the mid 50's.

        Now it's possible they used some forum of injectable testosterone , but that's doubtful.
        It was pretty a rare drug 70-75 years ago and they wouldn't have access to much, if anything at all.

        Genetic talent , hard training and proper nutrition has always been to real keys to building a decent physique.

        I'm not in the same league as the legends and never won anything worth bragging about.
        But, on little to no "gear" , I beat plenty of guys who were "juiced to the gills" in UN-tested npc contests.

        I still cracks me up, that so many gym rats, think they'll be a top pro , IF they find the magic potion.
        god you are clueless
        WWW.NoelFuller.com

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        • #19
          Originally posted by lifepulse View Post


          I guess I agree, in a sense, with the overall idea of "knowledge is power", and "righting the wrongs of the lie-filled past".



          Same time, I tend to think that this speculation just drives dumb thinking.



          Point is, in the 13 years I worked as an in-person personal trainer, I prepped numerous individuals who carried more size, were leaner, and had better shape, than either of the guys in this video. To that end, the REAL question people want answered is, "Is this type of physique POSSIBLE naturally?" The answer is a resounding, "Yes-- and actually, you can get WAY more jacked than this, naturally, with the right genetics, if you ALSO know how to train and eat right (which these two only did, to a limited degree; they were pioneers for their time, but living in the dark ages of the science of the sport).



          -David
          also clueless
          WWW.NoelFuller.com

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Noel Fuller View Post

            also clueless

            Enlighten us? For real.


            -David

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            • #21
              Originally posted by lifepulse View Post


              Enlighten us? For real.


              -David
              I have always destroyed anyone you trained, you talk a lot which most of these dipshits think is intellect but really you fall short
              WWW.NoelFuller.com

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              • #22
                When you sucked Adams dick to get attention you lost all credibility
                WWW.NoelFuller.com

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Big Beat View Post
                  Its important to expose the mistruths of bodybuilding.

                  Its important to people interested in the history of bodybuilding. An awful lot is placed on these guys being natural.

                  Its always worth exposing bullshit.
                  NOBODY can be 100% certain if the 1945-1955 legends had any chemical help or not.
                  But as you posted, let's examine any silly mistruths or BS and stick with historical FACTS.

                  1. The first anabolic steroid D-bol, didn't pass FDA approval for distribution until 1958.
                  Dr Ziegler first synthesized D-bol circa 1955 .
                  Steve Reeves won Mr America in 1947 and the Universe in 1950.

                  * Unless Reeves invented a time machine , it was IMPOSSIBLE for him to use D-bol or any steroid.
                  That's because they weren't invented yet!

                  2. Russian lifters were rumored to use forms of synthetic testosterone in the 1952 Olympic wt lifting.
                  * This was later verified as the first official use of athletes using real testosterone as PED.

                  The USA team still got the most medals in wt lifting, but the rapid progress of the USSR was scrutinized.
                  According to Bob Hoffman, a US Olympic doctor, noticed an odd looking protrusion on the lower ab region of many Russian lifters.
                  He reasoned it must be caused by inflammation of the urethra and bladder region from excess testosterone .

                  This incident promoted the need for a "safer" form of testosterone for USA wt lifters.
                  Dr Ziegler went to work and within a few years , methylated the testosterone molecule . This is the first steroid aka dianabol .
                  Please note, the USSR didn't compete in the 1948 games.

                  3. Prior to 1950, real testosterone wasn't common and (mostly) limited to various medical uses.
                  Many of the early , "so-called" testosterones were dubious forms of crushed bull or pig testicles.

                  A man like Reeves had the rare genetics for building a top level physique.
                  His small waist, wide shoulders with small joints and sweeping muscle bellies were his gifts.
                  Testosterone would only increase his muscle mass. It would NOT have an impact on his incredible shape.

                  Therefor, based on what was actually available, plus his genetics , it's unlikely Reeves used any "juice" when he won
                  the 1947 America or 1950 Universe.
                  I saw a star, reached for it...and MISSED

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Noel Fuller View Post
                    When you sucked Adams dick to get attention you lost all credibility

                    Lol, oh, I didn't realize you meant THAT route. I thought you meant you had info on Reeves and whatnot.


                    That said, I know you're good at what you do, Noel, and have nothing but respect for your work, so I have no desire to have a pissing match; I'm sure you would win. Was merely trying to make a point about genetic potential-- which I'm assuming you could back up, given how many people you have worked with over the years?


                    As for sucking Adam's dick (for attention, at that)-- when he asked me to do the podcast, I initially told him no, I wasn't interested, because my training business was going so well/I was so busy already. But he was an old friend and former training partner, and just wanted to shoot the shit once a week with different guests. So I tagged along for fun, and pretty much let it be his baby. That said, I think you know me well enough (I hope) to know that I had no desire to be the blow-hard that Adam often was, calling people out and starting drama needlessly; and after a few years of it, ducked out for exactly that reason.


                    -David

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by lifepulse View Post


                      Lol, oh, I didn't realize you meant THAT route. I thought you meant you had info on Reeves and whatnot.


                      That said, I know you're good at what you do, Noel, and have nothing but respect for your work, so I have no desire to have a pissing match; I'm sure you would win. Was merely trying to make a point about genetic potential-- which I'm assuming you could back up, given how many people you have worked with over the years?


                      As for sucking Adam's dick (for attention, at that)-- when he asked me to do the podcast, I initially told him no, I wasn't interested, because my training business was going so well/I was so busy already. But he was an old friend and former training partner, and just wanted to shoot the shit once a week with different guests. So I tagged along for fun, and pretty much let it be his baby. That said, I think you know me well enough (I hope) to know that I had no desire to be the blow-hard that Adam often was, calling people out and starting drama needlessly; and after a few years of it, ducked out for exactly that reason.



                      -David
                      the fight's commenced either get to fighting or get out of the way

                      WWW.NoelFuller.com

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Howard View Post

                        NOBODY can be 100% certain if the 1945-1955 legends had any chemical help or not.
                        But as you posted, let's examine any silly mistruths or BS and stick with historical FACTS.

                        1. The first anabolic steroid D-bol, didn't pass FDA approval for distribution until 1958.
                        Dr Ziegler first synthesized D-bol circa 1955 .
                        Steve Reeves won Mr America in 1947 and the Universe in 1950.

                        * Unless Reeves invented a time machine , it was IMPOSSIBLE for him to use D-bol or any steroid.
                        That's because they weren't invented yet!

                        2. Russian lifters were rumored to use forms of synthetic testosterone in the 1952 Olympic wt lifting.
                        * This was later verified as the first official use of athletes using real testosterone as PED.

                        The USA team still got the most medals in wt lifting, but the rapid progress of the USSR was scrutinized.
                        According to Bob Hoffman, a US Olympic doctor, noticed an odd looking protrusion on the lower ab region of many Russian lifters.
                        He reasoned it must be caused by inflammation of the urethra and bladder region from excess testosterone .

                        This incident promoted the need for a "safer" form of testosterone for USA wt lifters.
                        Dr Ziegler went to work and within a few years , methylated the testosterone molecule . This is the first steroid aka dianabol .
                        Please note, the USSR didn't compete in the 1948 games.

                        3. Prior to 1950, real testosterone wasn't common and (mostly) limited to various medical uses.
                        Many of the early , "so-called" testosterones were dubious forms of crushed bull or pig testicles.

                        A man like Reeves had the rare genetics for building a top level physique.
                        His small waist, wide shoulders with small joints and sweeping muscle bellies were his gifts.
                        Testosterone would only increase his muscle mass. It would NOT have an impact on his incredible shape.

                        Therefor, based on what was actually available, plus his genetics , it's unlikely Reeves used any "juice" when he won
                        the 1947 America or 1950 Universe.
                        Cliff Clavin
                        WWW.NoelFuller.com

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                        • #27
                          Adam wanted me to be on but you could tell he was a piece of shit from the get go, you and Porter couldn't suck him off fast enough..pretty happy with the way I played it
                          WWW.NoelFuller.com

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Howard View Post

                            NOBODY can be 100% certain if the 1945-1955 legends had any chemical help or not.
                            But as you posted, let's examine any silly mistruths or BS and stick with historical FACTS.

                            1. The first anabolic steroid D-bol, didn't pass FDA approval for distribution until 1958.
                            Dr Ziegler first synthesized D-bol circa 1955 .
                            Steve Reeves won Mr America in 1947 and the Universe in 1950.

                            * Unless Reeves invented a time machine , it was IMPOSSIBLE for him to use D-bol or any steroid.
                            That's because they weren't invented yet!

                            2. Russian lifters were rumored to use forms of synthetic testosterone in the 1952 Olympic wt lifting.
                            * This was later verified as the first official use of athletes using real testosterone as PED.

                            The USA team still got the most medals in wt lifting, but the rapid progress of the USSR was scrutinized.
                            According to Bob Hoffman, a US Olympic doctor, noticed an odd looking protrusion on the lower ab region of many Russian lifters.
                            He reasoned it must be caused by inflammation of the urethra and bladder region from excess testosterone .

                            This incident promoted the need for a "safer" form of testosterone for USA wt lifters.
                            Dr Ziegler went to work and within a few years , methylated the testosterone molecule . This is the first steroid aka dianabol .
                            Please note, the USSR didn't compete in the 1948 games.

                            3. Prior to 1950, real testosterone wasn't common and (mostly) limited to various medical uses.
                            Many of the early , "so-called" testosterones were dubious forms of crushed bull or pig testicles.

                            A man like Reeves had the rare genetics for building a top level physique.
                            His small waist, wide shoulders with small joints and sweeping muscle bellies were his gifts.
                            Testosterone would only increase his muscle mass. It would NOT have an impact on his incredible shape.

                            Therefor, based on what was actually available, plus his genetics , it's unlikely Reeves used any "juice" when he won
                            the 1947 America or 1950 Universe.
                            Test Suspension and Propionate were both made in the 1930’s. Might want to do some reading.
                            I stop me....no one else does.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Noel Fuller View Post
                              the fight's commenced either get to fighting or get out of the way

                              Lol, out of the way it is, brother. Too tired for the fight these days, and just happy to see your old volatile ass up in here again.


                              -David

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by lifepulse View Post


                                Lol, out of the way it is, brother. Too tired for the fight these days, and just happy to see your old volatile ass up in here again.


                                -David
                                well that wasn't as fun as I imagined it would be..when the fuck did you grow up?

                                WWW.NoelFuller.com

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