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  • #76
    You must compete with yourself, it is not necessary to go on stage, although the idea of doing so increases your discipline and dedication.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by Beti ona View Post
      You must compete with yourself, it is not necessary to go on stage, although the idea of doing so increases your discipline and dedication.
      Maybe I'm odd, but I could never get the motivation to get in my best shape, without a contest to go for?
      Now, I'm older and content but I still love pumping in the gym.

      I was in the grocery store, right after doing chest and tris yesterday, wearing a form fitting black t-shirt.
      A guy working there told me I looked like the incredible hulk. He asked me if I worked out at the nearby gym.

      I thanked him for the compliment and confirmed I had just come from that gym.

      Maybe he was just being nice , but at my age, I'll take it and smile .
      I saw a star, reached for it...and MISSED

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      • #78
        It is about developing that intrinsic motivation, in the same way that you train and do cardio without a competition in mind, you only need to add a contest diet. Of course, this is the hardest part of the sport.

        Compliments are great, but you can't depend on what ignorant people can say to you. Other people might tell you that it looks like a thin swimmer or a mass of potatoes.
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        • #79
          Originally posted by Beti ona View Post
          It is about developing that intrinsic motivation, in the same way that you train and do cardio without a competition in mind, you only need to add a contest diet. Of course, this is the hardest part of the sport.

          Compliments are great, but you can't depend on what ignorant people can say to you. Other people might tell you that it looks like a thin swimmer or a mass of potatoes.
          I'm 62 and last competed 25 years ago.
          At this point, I'd take a physique compliment from a blind retard.
          I saw a star, reached for it...and MISSED

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Beti ona View Post
            You must compete with yourself, it is not necessary to go on stage, although the idea of doing so increases your discipline and dedication.
            Working out , with no contest ,is like playing with your self.
            It gets ya thru the night, but it's more fun pumping , with others involved .
            I saw a star, reached for it...and MISSED

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Beti ona View Post
              It is about developing that intrinsic motivation, in the same way that you train and do cardio without a competition in mind, you only need to add a contest diet. Of course, this is the hardest part of the sport.

              Problem is, most thing that you can desire "intrinsic motivation" for, have some payoff of their own. Training, even though it is sort of painful, is still enjoyable-- on a certain level, it makes you FEEL GOOD. So does cardio. So does eating healthy, to a point.


              But getting into contest shape-- eating to get into true single-digit body fat, for MOST people-- simply doesn't feel good. In fact, it typically feels like shit-- many describe it as "feeling like walking death", for days, if not weeks, on end.


              It's hard to make yourself "want" that-- actually, probably impossible, unless you have legitimate underlying mental health issues-- like developing the "discipline to not eat" or "the discipline to go for days on end without sleep". While it's interesting to "see what you are capable of", physically-- for the most part, once you are fighting intrinsic biological programming for survival, you're not really "developing discipline", you're just convincing yourself to embrace insanity, for no real reason (i.e., embracing pain FOR THE SAKE OF embracing pain, JUST TO PROVE that you can embrace pain). Intentionally embracing "feeling like shit, all of the time", isn't a "discipline" thing-- it's a crazy thing.


              -David

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              • #82
                Originally posted by lifepulse View Post


                Problem is, most thing that you can desire "intrinsic motivation" for, have some payoff of their own. Training, even though it is sort of painful, is still enjoyable-- on a certain level, it makes you FEEL GOOD. So does cardio. So does eating healthy, to a point.


                But getting into contest shape-- eating to get into true single-digit body fat, for MOST people-- simply doesn't feel good. In fact, it typically feels like shit-- many describe it as "feeling like walking death", for days, if not weeks, on end.


                It's hard to make yourself "want" that-- actually, probably impossible, unless you have legitimate underlying mental health issues-- like developing the "discipline to not eat" or "the discipline to go for days on end without sleep". While it's interesting to "see what you are capable of", physically-- for the most part, once you are fighting intrinsic biological programming for survival, you're not really "developing discipline", you're just convincing yourself to embrace insanity, for no real reason (i.e., embracing pain FOR THE SAKE OF embracing pain, JUST TO PROVE that you can embrace pain). Intentionally embracing "feeling like shit, all of the time", isn't a "discipline" thing-- it's a crazy thing.


                -David
                Great post ( as usual ).

                You summed it up quite well.
                I'd add, that once you've "proven it" by getting in contest shape, you lose that desire WITHOUT another contest to go for.

                Training , eating properly and getting in "decent" condition is for health and personal reasons.
                Going the extra mile to look totally ripped with 10 coats of pro-tan, is all about bragging rights and beating others.
                I saw a star, reached for it...and MISSED

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by lifepulse View Post


                  Problem is, most thing that you can desire "intrinsic motivation" for, have some payoff of their own. Training, even though it is sort of painful, is still enjoyable-- on a certain level, it makes you FEEL GOOD. So does cardio. So does eating healthy, to a point.


                  But getting into contest shape-- eating to get into true single-digit body fat, for MOST people-- simply doesn't feel good. In fact, it typically feels like shit-- many describe it as "feeling like walking death", for days, if not weeks, on end.


                  It's hard to make yourself "want" that-- actually, probably impossible, unless you have legitimate underlying mental health issues-- like developing the "discipline to not eat" or "the discipline to go for days on end without sleep". While it's interesting to "see what you are capable of", physically-- for the most part, once you are fighting intrinsic biological programming for survival, you're not really "developing discipline", you're just convincing yourself to embrace insanity, for no real reason (i.e., embracing pain FOR THE SAKE OF embracing pain, JUST TO PROVE that you can embrace pain). Intentionally embracing "feeling like shit, all of the time", isn't a "discipline" thing-- it's a crazy thing.


                  -David
                  People greatly underestimate their bodyfat levels. Unless you've been in legit contest shape you don't really know. When it hurts to sit or you know you are close. Until then it's hypothetical. Another thing being contest ready is far from healthy and how long can you really hold it? The lack of a contest would stop any sane individual from actually reaching it
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                  • #84
                    I have been dieting (sort of) and the condition I am in now is about 10 pounds over what I would probably be on stage with the glutes in. But I know from experience what it takes to get those last 1-10 pounds off. I would have to suffer, starve, be exhausted and cranky much of the time, and my sleep would be for shit. No way would I put myself (and those around me) through that unless I was competing in. And even then, I ask myself, why bother? I see some Masters guys turning Pro who I am confident I would beat - but that was in THAT show. How do I know I wouldn't show up and my class would have Ronnie, Dorian, Phil, and Ramy in it? I'm joking, but only partly. Showing up with striated glutes and still placing 14th in an Over 40 Heavyweight class of 31 men left a sour taste in my mouth 8 years ago. I would have to get very, very lucky to turn Pro, and even then it would purely be to add 'IFBB Pro' to my name on IG. I am well aware I would be last callout in any 212 show.
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by lifepulse View Post


                      Problem is, most thing that you can desire "intrinsic motivation" for, have some payoff of their own. Training, even though it is sort of painful, is still enjoyable-- on a certain level, it makes you FEEL GOOD. So does cardio. So does eating healthy, to a point.


                      But getting into contest shape-- eating to get into true single-digit body fat, for MOST people-- simply doesn't feel good. In fact, it typically feels like shit-- many describe it as "feeling like walking death", for days, if not weeks, on end.


                      It's hard to make yourself "want" that-- actually, probably impossible, unless you have legitimate underlying mental health issues-- like developing the "discipline to not eat" or "the discipline to go for days on end without sleep". While it's interesting to "see what you are capable of", physically-- for the most part, once you are fighting intrinsic biological programming for survival, you're not really "developing discipline", you're just convincing yourself to embrace insanity, for no real reason (i.e., embracing pain FOR THE SAKE OF embracing pain, JUST TO PROVE that you can embrace pain). Intentionally embracing "feeling like shit, all of the time", isn't a "discipline" thing-- it's a crazy thing.


                      -David
                      All of that is true, but there are many bodybuilders who continue to do the same thing even after 30-40 years. The reason? The alternative is worse for them, and all that pain and suffering is preferable.

                      I do not need a competition to push myself, maybe it is not equal to 100%, but setting a deadline makes your butt move and not be in "maintenance".

                      For years I searched for records in the 3 lifts, I have been to a couple of meetings and it is completely different, it is much better when you are in a meet, but the weeks before, all the effort in training, is exactly the same.

                      That said, as one gets older, the idea of wanting to lift heavy loads is less appealing because the pains are increasing, and one focuses more on aesthetics and keeping fat levels low. That's my plan, not to be a fucking fat man.
                      http://betionastore.es/

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by lifepulse View Post
                        But getting into contest shape-- eating to get into true single-digit body fat, for MOST people-- simply doesn't feel good. In fact, it typically feels like shit-- many describe it as "feeling like walking death", for days, if not weeks, on end.
                        It is also true that for some people because of their fast metabolism this is not as painful as for others (where I include myself, lol).

                        We go back to what we have talked about in other threads, if a person does not have many hobbies, obligations or occupations, it also becomes easier to compete in bodybuilding (or runing marathons...) .

                        He has something to live for.
                        http://betionastore.es/

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Beti ona View Post

                          All of that is true, but there are many bodybuilders who continue to do the same thing even after 30-40 years. The reason? The alternative is worse for them, and all that pain and suffering is preferable.

                          I do not need a competition to push myself, maybe it is not equal to 100%, but setting a deadline makes your butt move and not be in "maintenance".

                          For years I searched for records in the 3 lifts, I have been to a couple of meetings and it is completely different, it is much better when you are in a meet, but the weeks before, all the effort in training, is exactly the same.

                          That said, as one gets older, the idea of wanting to lift heavy loads is less appealing because the pains are increasing, and one focuses more on aesthetics and keeping fat levels low. That's my plan, not to be a fucking fat man.

                          Point being, please name for us the bodybuilders who are continuing to push themselves to get into TRUE CONTEST SHAPE, for 30-40 years-- and you will find, they don't exist. There are a few anomalies like Robbie Robinson, who continued to get IN VERY GOOD SHAPE for decades-- but you won't find a single ACTUAL competitor, who ACTUALLY hit PEAK conditioning, multiple times-- over a course of 30-40 years. You have Dexter. He did it a long time. Not many others.


                          NONE of us "need a competition to push ourselves"-- ANYBODY who eats in a progressive manner, and trains in a progressive manner, IS "pushing themselves". It's a question of HOW MUCH you are pushing yourself. In most instances, "pushing yourself" feels great UP UNTIL A CERTAIN POINT, and after that, it just feels wrong, scary, not fun. If you can squat 315 for 10, putting 365 on the bar for reps is "pushing yourself"-- but putting 600lbs on the bar, is just stupid, and not something any semi-sane person would do. It goes from "pushing yourself", to just "chasing self harm", and there is a fine line between the two. And the same can be true with nutrition and dieting.


                          Not to be a dick, Beti, but you have never been in contest shape. Listen to the stories here. When you have to literally wrap your feet in gauze and bandages, just to walk across the room, it's simply not a state ANYBODY really "wants" to exist in.


                          Guys with super fast metabolisms can stay very lean, but even dudes like Dexter eventually had to turn to lots of cardio, and diets that made them feel "not so great". You have somebody like Michael Locket, who supposedly stays that lean while eating junk food year round (a true genetic outlier)-- but outside of that one single example, what other pro has the sort of metabolism where they can get in contest shape "without it being painful"?


                          My former training partner had one of the fastest metabolisms I've ever seen, and as I would prep him, his carbs would just go HIGHER, week after week after week. With that said, by end of prep he was eating a TON of food-- but still, felt like absolute shit ALL of the time, simply from being so lean.



                          Forcing your body into a spot it simply doesn't want to be in-- which is what true contest conditioning is, for 99.99999999999999999% of the human population-- is going to feel like shit. You block that out while doing it, because "discipline matters"-- but it doesn't change the reality that it pretty much ruins the entire rest of your life, while doing it. After doing it once to "see what it's like", after that, you're typically going to require some form of extrinsic motivator (a competition-- a photoshoot-- trying to market yourself and build a business, etc.), to EVER feel like "pushing yourself" to that degree again.




                          -David

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Griff11 View Post

                            People greatly underestimate their bodyfat levels. Unless you've been in legit contest shape you don't really know. When it hurts to sit or you know you are close. Until then it's hypothetical. Another thing being contest ready is far from healthy and how long can you really hold it? The lack of a contest would stop any sane individual from actually reaching it
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                            Sitting on the couch at the end of the day, knowing you need sleep, but being too tired to walk to the bedroom-- then finding that you just spent the last 15 minutes THINKING about walking to the bedroom, but still haven't moved. At that point, it ain't no fun no more, lol.


                            -David

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Griff11 View Post

                              People greatly underestimate their bodyfat levels. Unless you've been in legit contest shape you don't really know. When it hurts to sit or you know you are close. Until then it's hypothetical. Another thing being contest ready is far from healthy and how long can you really hold it? The lack of a contest would stop any sane individual from actually reaching it
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Ron Harris View Post
                                I have been dieting (sort of) and the condition I am in now is about 10 pounds over what I would probably be on stage with the glutes in. But I know from experience what it takes to get those last 1-10 pounds off. I would have to suffer, starve, be exhausted and cranky much of the time, and my sleep would be for shit. No way would I put myself (and those around me) through that unless I was competing in. And even then, I ask myself, why bother? I see some Masters guys turning Pro who I am confident I would beat - but that was in THAT show. How do I know I wouldn't show up and my class would have Ronnie, Dorian, Phil, and Ramy in it? I'm joking, but only partly. Showing up with striated glutes and still placing 14th in an Over 40 Heavyweight class of 31 men left a sour taste in my mouth 8 years ago. I would have to get very, very lucky to turn Pro, and even then it would purely be to add 'IFBB Pro' to my name on IG. I am well aware I would be last callout in any 212 show.
                                Good post Ron . I know you're a better bodybuilder then me and most guys posting here.
                                "Showing up with striated glutes and ending up 14th out of 30 hvy wts" , really drives home the reality.
                                I competed in a couple BIG contests and had a similar experience.

                                The "long shot" IFBB bodybuilder pro card quest, reminds me of the movie ; "Rudy".


                                I LOVE this movie and admire Rudy for getting his degree and making the team.
                                BUT, I've always wondered if all the pain and suffering he endured was "worth it" ( for him )????

                                MAYBE he'd have been better off, playing at Podunk state for 4 years and getting a similar degree.
                                Of course, they'd never make a movie of him, if did THAT.

                                 
                                Last edited by Howard; July 5, 2021, 08:43 PM.
                                I saw a star, reached for it...and MISSED

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