JMM Manion banned at Arnold Classic?

[mayor of bodybuilding]

Guilty until proven innocent welcome to the new America.

[bigmikecox]

Arnold is the only person in the industry who can stand alone. He doesn't need anyone else and those parties are acutely aware of it.

This!!!

[bigmikecox]

Guilty until proven innocent welcome to the new America.

[bigmikecox]

There is a big difference in Arnold baning JMM Manion and not allowing any other NPC News representative to go to takes photos, interviews and videos for show coverage.

And MD have not received permission either? Why don't we have photos galleryes?

Its HIS show!!! Period! We can bitch and moan all we want, but the promoters do what they want bc its THEIR dime! And Arnold is, well Arnold.

[Beti ona]

Its HIS show!!! Period! We can bitch and moan all we want, but the promoters do what they want bc its THEIR dime! And Arnold is, well Arnold.

How do you make money if you don't have the big sponsors and how do you promote the sport if you don't allow pictures to be taken?

If Arnold wants to eliminate all bodybuilding classes and stick with other sports activities, then so be it. Just do it directly instead of causing a decline and agonizing death.

[SISTEROFJESUS]

i just looked for pics from The As, on NPCNEWSONLINE, and no pics. this is just wrong and sad for the fan to suffer like this. i was lookin' forward to seein' the pics from the show.

[bigmikecox]

How do you make money if you don't have the big sponsors and how do you promote the sport if you don't allow pictures to be taken?

If Arnold wants to eliminate all bodybuilding classes and stick with other sports activities, then so be it. Just do it directly instead of causing a decline and agonizing death.

Bodybuilding is NOT the main draw at the Expo anymore. When you go now, its millennials and millennial companies. The days of Weider and Muscletech at expos are gone! The Arnold doesn need promotion, its the Arnold Classic! Just like the O. Smaller shows, sure, but again, its HIS show and HIS rules.

I think with Samson winning and Jacked in 3rd, Arnold was happy. Shit he offered $300K to the winner so his show is in a good spot

[lifepulse]

How do you make money if you don't have the big sponsors and how do you promote the sport if you don't allow pictures to be taken?

If Arnold wants to eliminate all bodybuilding classes and stick with other sports activities, then so be it. Just do it directly instead of causing a decline and agonizing death.

I'm not convinced that Arnold is concerned with continuing to host the ASF in order to make money, primarily -- he has more money than God, and I have the feeling that he's more concerned with his "legacy" (whatever he sees that as, I'm not sure), than the pocket change he makes off of the festival. I also have to imagine that he makes plenty of money off of the endeavor, given everything else that he has going on that weekend., But again, I don't know any of the specifics on it, just a hunch.

[bigmikecox]

How do you make money if you don't have the big sponsors and how do you promote the sport if you don't allow pictures to be taken?

If Arnold wants to eliminate all bodybuilding classes and stick with other sports activities, then so be it. Just do it directly instead of causing a decline and agonizing death.

Bbing has been dying for what 15 years and its still here! The MAIN event at EVERY show is the open men. Not classic, not MPD, not the fake ass division. But men's open! Nobody left the Arnold before the men came on. Unless someone dies on stage, bbing will be ok!

[bigmikecox]

I'm not convinced that Arnold is concerned with continuing to host the ASF in order to make money, primarily -- he has more money than God, and I have the feeling that he's more concerned with his "legacy" (whatever he sees that as, I'm not sure), than the pocket change he makes off of the festival. I also have to imagine that he makes plenty of money off of the endeavor, given everything else that he has going on that weekend., But again, I don't know any of the specifics on it, just a hunch.

You figure maybe $100K people visit the expo all weekend at $25 per pop and add the fees for a boooth.....

[Beti ona]

I'm not convinced that Arnold is concerned with continuing to host the ASF in order to make money, primarily -- he has more money than God, and I have the feeling that he's more concerned with his "legacy" (whatever he sees that as, I'm not sure), than the pocket change he makes off of the festival. I also have to imagine that he makes plenty of money off of the endeavor, given everything else that he has going on that weekend., But again, I don't know any of the specifics on it, just a hunch.

He is still looking for profit, or at least no loss money.

If the whole expo and festival makes money, then why cut classes, even if they cause some losses?

I'm not sure what kind of legacy he's building when all he does is tarnish his mith image and within bodybuilding more and more people who idolized him have stopped.

Less people at the expo, no redcom or other important sponsors, extremely expensive PPV with only half many classes as at Olympia, without photos of the contest.

Looks like a legacy.

[Griff11]

You figure maybe $100K people visit the expo all weekend at $25 per pop and add the fees for a boooth.....

That's the money right there

[lifepulse]

He is still looking for profit, or at least no loss money.

If the whole expo and festival makes money, then why cut classes, even if they cause some losses?

I'm not sure what kind of legacy he's building when all he does is tarnish his mith image and within bodybuilding more and more people who idolized him have stopped.

Less people at the expo, no redcom or other important sponsors, extremely expensive PPV with only half many classes as at Olympia, without photos of the contest.

Looks like a legacy.

First off, I have no idea what exactly Arnold considers his "legacy", this is 100% speculation on my part, want to throw that out there.


That said, he's obviously been fairly vocal about not liking the direction that BBing has gone, or the physique sports in general -- the women getting too muscular and both men and women relying on too much drugs, the larger stomachs, the lack of posing and grace.


I just have the feeling that he wants to leave a legacy of "trying to return bodybuilding to what it used to be about" -- more about the training, kinda sorta about health and not a drug fest, and at least having some esthetics. I think that's why he pushes classic -- why he got rid of WPD and now figure (which is getting insanely muscular and big compared to even a few years ago) -- why he has "stood his ground" on stage with champions who had big stomachs (Kai and Nick Walker) -- why he dwells so much on the importance of posing and training, etc.


Basically, I think Arnold thinks he "created" bodybuilding, and his specific vision of bodybuilding is "what it SHOULD be". I'm not saying I agree, or that he's right. I just have the feeling that he doesn't want to dissociate from it completely, but he wants to dissociate from the more drugged-up side of it, as much as he can.

[Beti ona]

First off, I have no idea what exactly Arnold considers his "legacy", this is 100% speculation on my part, want to throw that out there.


That said, he's obviously been fairly vocal about not liking the direction that BBing has gone, or the physique sports in general -- the women getting too muscular and both men and women relying on too much drugs, the larger stomachs, the lack of posing and grace.


I just have the feeling that he wants to leave a legacy of "trying to return bodybuilding to what it used to be about" -- more about the training, kinda sorta about health and not a drug fest, and at least having some esthetics. I think that's why he pushes classic -- why he got rid of WPD and now figure (which is getting insanely muscular and big compared to even a few years ago) -- why he has "stood his ground" on stage with champions who had big stomachs (Kai and Nick Walker) -- why he dwells so much on the importance of posing and training, etc.


Basically, I think Arnold thinks he "created" bodybuilding, and his specific vision of bodybuilding is "what it SHOULD be". I'm not saying I agree, or that he's right. I just have the feeling that he doesn't want to dissociate from it completely, but he wants to dissociate from the more drugged-up side of it, as much as he can.

That is some good points, I like the idea of emphasizing the pose and pursuing dilated stomacht.

If he wants less drugs, it is easy, to insert the Ben Weider
natural inside the show.

But that things has nothing to do with not having a free website like every year, and not allowing photographs of the event.

Nothing looked good in January with only 7 athletes, he had to invest more money so we could have something called contest.

It seems that he is playing 2 bands, as always and like everything hypocritical, ends up contradicting himself.

If you were Nick, would you have decided to do the show after Arnold says that you do not like your look and that you did not deserve to win?

[mayor of bodybuilding]

That's the money right there

This Arnold was very busy and the vendors I spoke with were pleased with the expo. The men's open was good and the show moved along very well unlike the Olympia disaster of mens open waiting hours to perform. Sunday seminar was outstanding with great stories from the guys. One note at the night show Saturday Big Ron got a thunderous reception from the crowd. Yeah buddy