JMM Manion banned at Arnold Classic?

[Beti ona]

The universal stand and cage were absent this year.

[Beti ona]

arnold fitness weekend
200 total amateur competitors in columbus this weekend
a total fucking joke

the show the expo, the experience- place was empty, no energy, no excitement, teenage kids walking around with more acne then muscle

there were "influencers" everywhere, and to be honest I dont know who anyone is, dont go on youtube, dont really use IG much, and certainly dont follow any of these people. hell I dont even follow anyone in bodybuilding unless they are my friends

there wasnt a single current competing bodybuilder at a booth being a sponsored athlete except Breon at some bar company

I saw guy cisternino, but he is @100# from what he used to be. Branch warren and johnny jackson were trying to sell clothes, and no one even knew who they were

its fucked

[Beti ona]

The WP articles were final scandal, but the Arnold had already had problems with the change of promoter, had problems in the Arnold UK, and before this he caused problems for siding with the government and telling the Americans fuck with your freedom.

They cancel the amateur show, then back it, cancel some pro classes because nont have demand (or quality, about figure, really?) and not produce profits... then increase the money from the prize in the Open.

This looks like a delirant organization who is giving blind steps.

At the end of the day, Arnold has taken decitions outside and within the sport that go against the Hardcore community of bodybuilding.

Nor is it good to support veganism or green energy because that makes you look like a DAVOS globalist (or communist for US standards) who wants to leave you without your red meat.

Arnold does not bind the industry, divide it, compare his actions with those of Jake Wood, that is the difference between a selfless leader and an old and stupid narcissist.

And let's not forget, Arnold still support Santonja, when the amateur IFBB is the main competitor of the NPC throughout the planet. How miserable is that?

[Bestia]

When Arnold passes, does the Arnold classic live on or does it die on the vine without the cache of Arnold to lead it?

[Giles]

I really do wish Arnold would bring the Spain Arnold Europe over to the Pro League instead of Santonja.

I just don’t see the point in Arnold staying tied to the elite side of the IFBB, it’s pointless.

Either team up with Emilio Martinez in Spain and produce a fantastic pro league Arnold Classic (and likely a huge amateur show) or run it themselves from USA.

Come on Arnold! Sort it ahhhhhhhhttttttttt.

[bigmikecox]

When Arnold passes, does the Arnold classic live on or does it die on the vine without the cache of Arnold to lead it?

Im sure he has a plan in place.

[Griff11]

Im sure he has a plan in place.

I think his son will be the figure head. He's been on Arnold's hip for years. Arnold wants his legacy to go on.

[bigmikecox]

I think his son will be the figure head. He's been on Arnold's hip for years. Arnold wants his legacy to go on.

Agreed!!!

As far as the original topic..... Im just here for the comments

[Bestia]

Which son? Sorry. Shouldnt have went there

[Beti ona]

I really do wish Arnold would bring the Spain Arnold Europe over to the Pro League instead of Santonja.

I just don’t see the point in Arnold staying tied to the elite side of the IFBB, it’s pointless.

Either team up with Emilio Martinez in Spain and produce a fantastic pro league Arnold Classic (and likely a huge amateur show) or run it themselves from USA.

Come on Arnold! Sort it ahhhhhhhhttttttttt.

Emilio talked about wanting to bring the Master Olympia to Spain if Alina doesn't want to continue having it in Romania. He doesn't want it to go to the US because then will never return to Europe.

So it is easy to see that the predisposition exist if Arnold wanted to choose the right side.

When Arnold Europe was with the PL, everyone wanted to go to the expo, and tpowerlifting and strongman events were highly supported. Remember that one year there were crowding problems because people did not enter in the venue, because of that they moved the event from Madrid to Barcelona.

Since Arnold left with Santonja, no one in the forums in Spain talks about the expo or wanting to see or know the elite "pros", and well, now it is organized in Seville, a smaller and less important city, also less connected for international travel than Madrid or Barcelona.


On the other hand, promoters, judges and pro athletes are not allowed to participate in rival fed events. Arnold is the only one who has that privilege.

[Beti ona]

Other reasonable doubts:

Why Arnold, with all his love and support for the classic, only managed to attract 7 competitors? Athletes should kill for wanting to do this show, also the prize money is higher than in the Olympia.

If you want to get away from the post articles and the sexualization of athletes, why keep bikini and wellness, which are shows of tits and ass? It was the hot, less muscular girls who appeared naked in exchange for better places, and the ones who spoke up in the post were basically figure and bikini competitors.

[bigmikecox]

Other reasonable doubts:

Why Arnold, with all his love and support for the classic, only managed to attract 7 competitors? Athletes should kill for wanting to do this show, also the prize money is higher than in the Olympia.

If you want to get away from the post articles and the sexualization of athletes, why keep bikini and wellness, which are shows of tits and ass? It was the hot, less muscular girls who appeared naked in exchange for better places, and the ones who spoke up in the post were basically figure and bikini competitors.

A short turnaround for some his hard. Some guys want to rest their bodies, some want to spend time with their families. They're human and prepping for that long is tough. Im not sure how much Arnold is involved in the invites of athletes. Im pretty sure he isnt up on all the current CP guys or even all the pro bbers. He loves the sport but Beti the times of bbing dominating the sport AND expo are gone. When id go in the 90s and 2000s it was all bbing. MuscleTech, Weider, Twinlabs, Met-**, Muscle Elegance. Now, its Band energy drinks and other millennial stuff. Sadly, kids want to be Cbum and not Lunsford. Yes, you will still get a hardcore crowd, but this is a BUSINESS, and you have to give the fans what they want.

Bikini girls draw other girls. Its like they are family and teenagers and 20 something guys like bikini girls. Same with wellness. Did you hear how DJ was going on and on about wellness? (fake assess and all). WE see a different side to it. Listen, Im with you. Id ditch bikini and wellness for WPDF and women's bbing in a second but sadly Arnold is not a fan. Yes bikini and wellness girls are muscular but to the average guy going to the Expo they are hot. I have some friends the live in Columbus that are not fans of the sport but they still go to the Expo. There are about 7 BIG colleges within 3.5 hours of Columbus and those kids go for the supps and to check out girls!

[Giles]

Emilio talked about wanting to bring the Master Olympia to Spain if Alina doesn't want to continue having it in Romania. He doesn't want it to go to the US because then will never return to Europe.

So it is easy to see that the predisposition exist if Arnold wanted to choose the right side.

When Arnold Europe was with the PL, everyone wanted to go to the expo, and tpowerlifting and strongman events were highly supported. Remember that one year there were crowding problems because people did not enter in the venue, because of that they moved the event from Madrid to Barcelona.

Since Arnold left with Santonja, no one in the forums in Spain talks about the expo or wanting to see or know the elite "pros", and well, now it is organized in Seville, a smaller and less important city, also less connected for international travel than Madrid or Barcelona.


On the other hand, promoters, judges and pro athletes are not allowed to participate in rival fed events. Arnold is the only one who has that privilege.

I admire Arnold’s loyalty to Santonja after the split but let’s be completely honest here, that side had their chance for five years now to prove they were worth going with in Spain and look what happened!

The venue downsized, vendors left in their droves and that ‘Arnold’ is barely clinging on.

If Arnold is a smart businessman then he needs to either have no Arnold Europe in Spain or switch it to the NPC & Pro League.

[Bestia]

I admire Arnold’s loyalty to Santonja after the split but let’s be completely honest here, that side had their chance for five years now to prove they were worth going with in Spain and look what happened!

The venue downsized, vendors left in their droves and that ‘Arnold’ is barely clinging on.

If Arnold is a smart businessman then he needs to either have no Arnold Europe in Spain or switch it to the NPC & Pro League.

I have never and will never understand the whole IFBB international and pro league differences. Way too confusing.

[1Patrick]

I have never and will never understand the whole IFBB international and pro league differences. Way too confusing.

Well if you turn pro with Manion you just pay for procard $250
if you turn pro with Santoja you have to sell your house and cars to pay for that card .I could be off by few thousands , but ask Kamal he knows how much exactly it is lol