Knights of the Bodybuilding Roundtable

[lifepulse]

He just coached AJ's girl to her pro card. AJ put his foot down no diuretics

When I stopped coaching for a few years in 19/20, several of my former female clients went to and worked with him. He did an amazing job with all of them, and is a better coach than I will ever be. Yes he has clearly pushed the envelope with a handful of people, but as with most things, we only hear about the horror stories, not the other 98%. (So if it needs to be said, I was joking with the previous post. I have a lot of respect for his knowledge and track record.)

[Griff11]

When I stopped coaching for a few years in 19/20, several of my former female clients went to and worked with him. He did an amazing job with all of them, and is a better coach than I will ever be. Yes he has clearly pushed the envelope with a handful of people, but as with most things, we only hear about the horror stories, not the other 98%. (So if it needs to be said, I was joking with the previous post. I have a lot of respect for his knowledge and track record.)

Honestly I thought he took too much muscle off to bring her in. I guess when someone has a ton of clients the scorched earth policy goes. There's not enough time to adjust everyone.

[lifepulse]

Honestly I thought he took too much muscle off to bring her in. I guess when someone has a ton of clients the scorched earth policy goes. There's not enough time to adjust everyone.

That much (the 400+ clients) is definitely true. And yes, he's a "conditioning at all costs" guy. So was Matt Porter (who I worked with for over 2yrs). I got into the best shape of my life with Matt -- and without megadosing clen or T3 -- but it was cardio at all costs, and my legs whittled away to sticks by the end of prep. (Granted I did 3 shows that season, that was part of it. But I saw him do it with a lot of people -- earned a rep for consistently peeled clients, but sucked down to the marrow.)

[Griff11]

That much (the 400+ clients) is definitely true. And yes, he's a "conditioning at all costs" guy. So was Matt Porter (who I worked with for over 2yrs). I got into the best shape of my life with Matt -- and without megadosing clen or T3 -- but it was cardio at all costs, and my legs whittled away to sticks by the end of prep. (Granted I did 3 shows that season, that was part of it. But I saw him do it with a lot of people -- earned a rep for consistently peeled clients, but sucked down to the marrow.)

I'm admittedly jaded and arrogant. I see the major difference aside from attention these gurus apply to their top line clients is gh. There is a certain genius coach out there who supplies his top line clients with pharma gh. At 10 to 20 units a day it's not very hard to bring someone in big and lean. Just read Aceto's book and have a rudimentary understanding of water manipulation and boom genius.

[Beti ona]

Hmmmm, what is Shelby up to these days by the way?

I think had Melisa Perron in third place in Vancouver

[Beti ona]

That much (the 400+ clients) is definitely true. And yes, he's a "conditioning at all costs" guy. So was Matt Porter (who I worked with for over 2yrs). I got into the best shape of my life with Matt -- and without megadosing clen or T3 -- but it was cardio at all costs, and my legs whittled away to sticks by the end of prep. (Granted I did 3 shows that season, that was part of it. But I saw him do it with a lot of people -- earned a rep for consistently peeled clients, but sucked down to the marrow.)

400 clients is a clear red flag, I don't think any honest person can work with more than 40 or 50 people at the same time, with the dedication that each of them deserves and needs.

As for the way to get ripped, you can do a lot of cardio or take GH and T3, etc.

Are you sure that even with hard leg workouts you lose real size with cardio? Would it be better to go hungry and do less cardio?

[bigmikecox]

I'm admittedly jaded and arrogant. I see the major difference aside from attention these gurus apply to their top line clients is gh. There is a certain genius coach out there who supplies his top line clients with pharma gh. At 10 to 20 units a day it's not very hard to bring someone in big and lean. Just read Aceto's book and have a rudimentary understanding of water manipulation and boom genius.

Let's just hope they stay healthy.

[Griff11]

Let's just hope they stay healthy.

He already killed one

[lifepulse]

Are you sure that even with hard leg workouts you lose real size with cardio? Would it be better to go hungry and do less cardio?

The problem is, if you're doing that much cardio, your legs just never fully recover -- so when you go to try doing hard leg workouts, it just starts to become impossible.

And from there, it's going to be very individual. I always started prep too fat, so I had to work too hard -- and resort to too much cardio -- to get peeled inside out.

Same time, most people won't get striated glutes and separated hamstrings without doing some very miserable stuff, and for most (except maybe at the pro level), it's going to require pushing quite a bit of cardio. Plus to get legs (glutes and hams) fully dialed in, you're going to have to get body fat SO low that you're going to lose a lot of fullness in other areas, often in the quads. I think that's part of the reason we see such lackluster quad separation and detail these days -- once they're sucked down to the point of shredded glutes, most people lose a lot of quad pop.

[Bestia]

There is a tipping point where you can push to tear down the remaining fat to chase striated glutes, but at top high of a price in muscle.

Fully agreed that it is very individual.

[Giles]

400 clients is a clear red flag, I don't think any honest person can work with more than 40 or 50 people at the same time, with the dedication that each of them deserves and needs.

As for the way to get ripped, you can do a lot of cardio or take GH and T3, etc.

Are you sure that even with hard leg workouts you lose real size with cardio? Would it be better to go hungry and do less cardio?

That’s what I did, zero cardio & just got used to being constantly hungry.

First week was hard, but after that you get used to it.

[Ron Harris]

There is a tipping point where you can push to tear down the remaining fat to chase striated glutes, but at top high of a price in muscle.

Fully agreed that it is very individual.

I was always 100% ready everywhere but the glutes and upper hams at about 210-212. I had to keep going and get down to 201-203 to get the glutes striated, and lost precious fullness overall that I never could afford to lose. I often joked that if we still had the older style trunks that covered the glutes, I would have been able to show a much better look onstage.

[Ron Harris]

This was the look I was never able to show on stage, because my GLUTES weren't in!!!

[Beti ona]

The problem is, if you're doing that much cardio, your legs just never fully recover -- so when you go to try doing hard leg workouts, it just starts to become impossible.

And from there, it's going to be very individual. I always started prep too fat, so I had to work too hard -- and resort to too much cardio -- to get peeled inside out.

Same time, most people won't get striated glutes and separated hamstrings without doing some very miserable stuff, and for most (except maybe at the pro level), it's going to require pushing quite a bit of cardio. Plus to get legs (glutes and hams) fully dialed in, you're going to have to get body fat SO low that you're going to lose a lot of fullness in other areas, often in the quads. I think that's part of the reason we see such lackluster quad separation and detail these days -- once they're sucked down to the point of shredded glutes, most people lose a lot of quad pop.

Brent Swanson is a good example, back is softer and muted, deltoids lost separation, but glutes are more rippedback look

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