Off-season condition and growing lean

[smbarney]

this is great!

[smbarney]

matt how do you determine if someone is husky or not? i mean i dont get as big as say moose j but i dot stay super lean either, abs are usually in a bit but def have a lil lower back fat. last time i dieted down i ended up at bout 375g p, 75gc and low fats (i would have 10-12 almonds every few days if i was very run down) besides that diet was egg whites, tilapia, chicken. this approach worked but it was long, brutal and i lost alot of size.

[firefighter67]

next biggest thread thx matt plz add more!!!

[bigbeefy]

so would you be ok with someone using carb back loading for clean gaining?

[firefighter67]

what wud be the best over counter supplements (while off) and wut is best AAS while on for bulking and staying lean? also wut wud b best overcounter pct if u cudnt find clomid and nov intime??!

[modredtrenton]

Huksy fellow who is active and will take AAS.....

Mr. Husky has the natural propensity to accrue total bodyweight easily as is --- now he uses AAS he will be growing nicely in most cases.

cycle - lower T say long acting test at 300 mg/week
higher anabolic say drostanolone enanthate at 600-700 /week. (could replace for same dose of primo or 450 mg/week tren enanthate)

diet - 2 options -- two carb meals.

Pre & post training of 50g each OR meal 1 & meal 2 ,,, 50 grams per meal.

Other meals would be 50g pro and 25g fat

Have a 6-8 hour cheat period once a week

This keeps the huskier guy more efficient with lower insulin levels and keeps him leaner.

I would predict he accumulates 130g carbs total from incidental carbs from vegetables and nuts (fiber) in addition to the TWO 50g carb meals.

7 meals a day could be 3500/350/130/125

Not much for gaining you say???? Well it will be clean gains for our huskier guy who is on aas and gains easy as it is from his genetic make-up.

-Matt

this diet makes sense to me. but why not 100grams of carbs before workout instead of two 50gram meals pre and post workout?

[l3ig]

Matt how many days u tell your clinets to take off from gym after contest diet done?

and how many days u tell them u can eat w/e u like and then it's time to get back on diet ... or is it better to just jump back on clean diet right after?

i want 1 small pizza and 1 doghnout didn't have anything since april this year ... so just need the taste i missed it a bit

[Demonwolf]

Thoughts on this Matt?

After the show, I plan on eating a bunch of shit for about 36-48 hours, then going back to real foods, just more of them.
MORE nuts and nut butters [eat a decent amount already on this diet], fattier steaks [instead of sirloin], chicken thighs [instead of breasts], slow reintroduction of carbs[on very low carbs now] rice,rice cakes, oats, sweet potato, skim milk, Mediterranean style yogurt, dry curd and cheeses, whole wheat pastas. 1 high carb day per week [bagels, donuts, breads,cereals] and 1 "mixed" afternoon per week [subs, pizza, ice cream, burger, tacos,etc].
Does that sound terribly stupid?

[miralgandhi]

Trying get lean...I've noticed that I am able to get leaner on lower carbs. Currently I'm 205 lbs at 6 foot tall. I'm planning on having 200 grams protein, 200 grams carbs, 100 grams fat. This would be split up between 3-4 meals. All of these cals would come from whole foods(rice, chicken breast, coconut oil, etc) I'll drink a shake with a couple scoops of whey usually post workout. Lifting 4 days a week, cardio 4 days a week.


Do these numbers look decent? Or Gould I bump up or down any of the macros? Thanks.

[Matt Porter]

so would you be ok with someone using carb back loading for clean gaining?

Big beefy I just answered this on my other thread.....

The back loading theory to me is very unclear and would take trial and error on the users end.

I would like to see an endomorph -- eat his pizza, and pie turn overs, and donuts etc... and be "shredded and freaky" like the Author makes you believe....

-matt

[Matt Porter]

matt how do you determine if someone is husky or not? i mean i dont get as big as say moose j but i dot stay super lean either, abs are usually in a bit but def have a lil lower back fat. last time i dieted down i ended up at bout 375g p, 75gc and low fats (i would have 10-12 almonds every few days if i was very run down) besides that diet was egg whites, tilapia, chicken. this approach worked but it was long, brutal and i lost alot of size.

Huskier fellows have thicker bone structure...

They will naturally just gain fat easily and do not have a 'hard look' to them unless enhanced and strictly dieting for weeks.

They will possess much vascularity unless strictly dieting and the skin just isnt that thin until weeks into strict nutrition.

Husky guys usually are lower body dominant and have a hell of a time getting the abdominals to pop.

There is no cookie-cutter, exact traits for endo/husky guys as it will differ between people of course.

But they are the ones who simply STRUGGLE to stay lean and MUST be prudent on clean eating 7 days a week....

-Matt

[Matt Porter]

what wud be the best over counter supplements (while off) and wut is best AAS while on for bulking and staying lean? also wut wud b best overcounter pct if u cudnt find clomid and nov intime??!

I am being totally genuine when I recommend this because I have seen legit blood work to back this up

The Testosterone Recovery Stack is the best OTC multi-faceted endogenous hormone booster available.

It covers -

LH and FSH signaling
GABAeric stimulation for mood and teste signaling
Lower cortisol
Increases cognitive function
Increases testicular sensitizing effects from the tocotrienol complex in one of the products to better respond to the other products
Increase blood flow to penis for sexual function
Increases sex drive from the sodium d aspartate

As for AAS for staying lean --- well you know the deal.

Nutrition and unique genetics will dictate this first and foremost, but for a 'quality look' to the physique.

Keeping T lower range (250-350) and bumping up the anabolics will keep you harder looking and drier.

-matt

[Matt Porter]

this diet makes sense to me. but why not 100grams of carbs before workout instead of two 50gram meals pre and post workout?

I dont like high glycemic LOADS since the insulin spike is huge and abrupt leaving the person hypo sometimes during training and performing sub-par.

-Matt

[Matt Porter]

Matt how many days u tell your clinets to take off from gym after contest diet done?

and how many days u tell them u can eat w/e u like and then it's time to get back on diet ... or is it better to just jump back on clean diet right after?

i want 1 small pizza and 1 doghnout didn't have anything since april this year ... so just need the taste i missed it a bit

Is this if the client has another show or just in general after being done for the season?

Either way --

I think its best to literally eat all Sunday and then control water balance etc,,,,, starting Monday and get the rebound cleared by Thursday.

Then have a cheat meal Fri and Sat then have your off-season planned devised starting that next Monday.

People like to "rest, forget, not be strict for a bit, take down time" etc etc....

but this leads to regrets later and "what the hell happened" and training problems too as you are now "rusty" and unaccustomed to squats, rows , etc etc from prolong down time

If you have legit injuries sure.... but if you are relatively healthy....dont DROP THE BALL!

-Matt

[Matt Porter]

Thoughts on this Matt?

After the show, I plan on eating a bunch of shit for about 36-48 hours, then going back to real foods, just more of them.
MORE nuts and nut butters [eat a decent amount already on this diet], fattier steaks [instead of sirloin], chicken thighs [instead of breasts], slow reintroduction of carbs[on very low carbs now] rice,rice cakes, oats, sweet potato, skim milk, Mediterranean style yogurt, dry curd and cheeses, whole wheat pastas. 1 high carb day per week [bagels, donuts, breads,cereals] and 1 "mixed" afternoon per week [subs, pizza, ice cream, burger, tacos,etc].
Does that sound terribly stupid?

i think if you plan to eat trash for that long you will inevitably rebound BAD (assuming you did some dehydration as well).....then going into HIGHER calorie eating directly from that trash eating would be not so good....

I would always CLEAR the rebound first which will be cardio and lower carbs/cals for a few days to let things balance out again -- you will thank yourself since you will be avoiding potential muscle cramps and uncomfortable "pump" in the low back etc...

Then I would start implementing your plan.

i think eating fatty steaks like ribeyes , NY strips etc... + more butters, and thighs + adding in carbs will result in shitty body composition after it catches up to you....

Would rather just see you stay eating the higher fats and protein then just re introduce carbs on the weekends or what have you.

-matt