Prep for the 2008 Team Universe

[scoobysnacks]

In his defense (not that he needs my help) he reported an 8% skinfold test and then a 19% body water immersion test. As you know the later measures the fat around organs as well, which has no bearing on our traditional bodybuilder viewpoint of bodyfat. So taking the average really IS misleading, its the sub q fat that we bodybuilders care about not the internal organ fat which we ALL have a good bit of to protect the organs. Whats really important is the 8% for our purposes, so 8% at 215 changes the equation a bit.

Also, these numbers he repots are his goals, they arent set in stone. I was watching Pumping Iron the other day and look at the psyche jobs Arnold did on his competitors. Kiyoshi played sports at the highest professional level he might know something about pysche jobs. What if his competitors read this and go, oh shit, he MUST be on something, I better find a way and they take shit and get DQ'ed or they dont and they stress. I mean look at the upheaval over the two threads....

I dont know, but Im just saying.........

For instance Im considering doing 2008 Team U in the bantams, Id never face Kiyoshi except if I won my class, so his prep really has no bearing on me, but it makes me think, damn, even if I am 8% June 1 when I could begin prep (have too many vacations planned prior) why even bother when he started at 8% back in April and is gaining 10-15 lbs into the show????

[Quelly]

In his defense (not that he needs my help) he reported an 8% skinfold test and then a 19% body water immersion test. As you know the later measures the fat around organs as well, which has no bearing on our traditional bodybuilder viewpoint of bodyfat. So taking the average really IS misleading, its the sub q fat that we bodybuilders care about not the internal organ fat which we ALL have a good bit of to protect the organs. Whats really important is the 8% for our purposes, so 8% at 215 changes the equation a bit.

Also, these numbers he repots are his goals, they arent set in stone. I was watching Pumping Iron the other day and look at the psyche jobs Arnold did on his competitors. Kiyoshi played sports at the highest professional level he might know something about pysche jobs. What if his competitors read this and go, oh shit, he MUST be on something, I better find a way and they take shit and get DQ'ed or they dont and they stress. I mean look at the upheaval over the two threads....

I dont know, but Im just saying.........

For instance Im considering doing 2008 Team U in the bantams, Id never face Kiyoshi except if I won my class, so his prep really has no bearing on me, but it makes me think, damn, even if I am 8% June 1 when I could begin prep (have too many vacations planned prior) why even bother when he started at 8% back in April and is gaining 10-15 lbs into the show????

good points...and truth about the bodyfat readings...nobody has clearly defined quads, hammies, and chest striations and shoulder separation at non 1 digit subcutaneous bodyfat percentages...visually...it looks like Kiyoshi gains a good 10-15lbs of muscle and maybe loses 1-5lbs of fat...because remember....if you dont gain any fat and gain muscle...your bodyfat percentage decreases...and gimme a break on the "gyno" I've seen the supposed gyno pics of kiyoshi, if that's gyno then I had gyno last year competing at 180...at 6'1...yeah big time on the sauce

[Kiyoshi Moody]

not sure why ppl disbelieve the ability to grow into a show on a contest diet. eat clean, train hard, put on lean muscle & lose bodyfat with your weight training intensity, just enough low intensity cardio to help the muscle increase metabolism. increase in muscle already increases metabolism directly. each pound of muscle you gain burns an extra 50 kcals at rest...more with low intensity cardio!

keep growin, knowin & bangin Diesel!

The reason why is it's not the norm. Everyone has been taught to lose weight when they diet to get ready for a show!!!

[Kiyoshi Moody]

205 at 13% BF = 178 lbs LBM
215 at 2% BF = 211 lbs LBM

All in 5 months and for a Natural show. 33lbs of natural gains in 5 months and losing 11% body fat at the same time....


In 21 weeks he will gain 33lbs of muscle...over 1.5lbs a week

Come on mattyh, he just works harder than you do.

Damn foreman where you been? missed you!!!

[GeorgeForemanRules]

Damn foreman where you been? missed you!!!

Been training like a mad man, down 19lbs of fat and up 4-5lbs of muscle since March 1. Got really sick last week and just rested, back in the gym today and had a great workout.

Hope to drop 12lbs more by June 1, that will put me at 10-11% BF and thats thin enough for this old man.

[Kiyoshi Moody]

It is not hard to gaiin 1.57 lbs of muscle a week and at the same time lose 1.06 lbs of fat a week.....and to do it for 21 weeks in a row naturally.


It just takes hard work and a good AB program, never mind the gyno.

26.65 lbs of fat
4.3lbs of fat

33lbs of muscle gain
22.35lbs of fat loss
In 21 weeks 100%% naturally


1.57 lbs of muscle gain a week
1.06 lb of fat loss a week

Ab's whats that? I dont train abs till one month out from a show!!!!

[Big ER]

These are my first offseason pics I have taken. These were taken on Monday. Weight is at 205lbs, Bodyfat is at 13%. I have 5 months til Team Universe. My end weight will probably be around 215 on stage. As I diet up. My BF should drop to about 2%

Kiyoshi go check your BF% again!!! That is not 13% BF dude.
GREAT PHYSIQUE!!!!!

[TooPowerful4u]

Not to be a dik....but somebody pointed out you look like you have some slight gyno in one of your pix on another site... as well as some injection bumps (usually GH) on your stomach on some of your pix on this very site. Care to explain? And NO it was not acne or your skin dude...not when theres like 4 on your stomach and none anywhere else.....

[Apharius]

Kevin Levrone used to gain 30-40lbs for a show.
He was one of the most genetically gifted men in BBing.
Off season he was 205-210 & would jump to 240-250.
So it is possible. I always gain muscle going into a show.
Not 30 lbs though.

Good luck KM

[mattyh7688]

Kevin Levrone used to gain 30-40lbs for a show.
He was one of the most genetically gifted men in BBing.
Off season he was 205-210 & would jump to 240-250.
So it is possible. I always gain muscle going into a show.
Not 30 lbs though.

Good luck KM

yea and kevin levrone was competing in natural shows too, right?

[TooPowerful4u]

Not to be a dik....but somebody pointed out you look like you have some slight gyno in one of your pix on another site... as well as some injection bumps (usually GH) on your stomach on some of your pix on this very site. Care to explain? And NO it was not acne or your skin dude...not when theres like 4 on your stomach and none anywhere else.....

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[hulk7280]

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Why do you care? Just a word of advice.. I would focus on yourself and other obligations in life then worry about if a guy is a natural or not.. I have seen many freaks in my day, and its just easier to say he is sauced up then to beleive he is just has great genetics and trains and eats his butt off.

[Kiyoshi Moody]

Not to be a dik....but somebody pointed out you look like you have some slight gyno in one of your pix on another site... as well as some injection bumps (usually GH) on your stomach on some of your pix on this very site. Care to explain? And NO it was not acne or your skin dude...not when theres like 4 on your stomach and none anywhere else.....

lol, Dont ever think I would think you would be a dik for asking a question!!! no problem I try to answer all quesitions. Acne!!!! lol. Shyt I havent had acne since I waw 18!!!lol. Yes i not acne and it is not GH use or injection bumps as they call it. I am going to find you the corrrect term for it if you can bare with me. It's when your bodyfat drops really low. there is a term for the bumps. If you go through alot of my pics on MD you will find some that have the bumps and some that dont. If I had GH injections wouldnt they be there all the time?

[Kiyoshi Moody]

Kevin Levrone used to gain 30-40lbs for a show.
He was one of the most genetically gifted men in BBing.
Off season he was 205-210 & would jump to 240-250.
So it is possible. I always gain muscle going into a show.
Not 30 lbs though.

Good luck KM

Your right he was genetically gifted but a natural he was not!!!! But yes he didi diet up for shows. Thats why he gets to 240 to 260. I can only get to 210 hopefully. Big difference. I will do my best!!!! Thank you bro for the compliment

[Kiyoshi Moody]

Why do you care? Just a word of advice.. I would focus on yourself and other obligations in life then worry about if a guy is a natural or not.. I have seen many freaks in my day, and its just easier to say he is sauced up then to beleive he is just has great genetics and trains and eats his butt off.

Bro it's all good!!! Everyone is always entitled to there opinion!!! You will have believers and nonbelievers thats in anything sports, religion life in general!!!! You have to believe and faith in yourself!!!!