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ive been on havoc for 24 days, no bad sides, i believe a woman can run 10mg a day for 30 days safely, found one wild hair on abdomen. i feel tight. only main side effect is moody and aggitation most likely due to the anti-estrogen characterictics of the compound. back pumps seem to be an issue even on low carbs. seems ok for a month no water retention and my opinion good choice and seems well tolerable. seems great for cutting up.
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Originally posted by MR&MSB View PostMike~
You are "Da Bomb"!!! Thank you so much!! That really helps alot.
Thanks, no probem. Just be careful and learn about how all these different drugs affect women. You want to be educated about all the various risks so that you are prepared for the worst.Comment
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Originally posted by Brad Crystal View Post
Crystal,
Thanks for keeping us updated on your progress; this is an excellent thread! Your posts have given us valuable insite on this relativly unkown subject. Congrats to you for having the balls to be the first to explore & document the effects of this pro-steroid on women.
It's a shame that so much flaming and preaching has been directed towards you. We are all adults here and are free to make our own decisions.
I'm happy to see everything has worked out for you. Please continue to keep us updated in these next few weeks.Comment
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thank you i appreciate that soooooooooo much. that makes me feel good. the havoc is amazing im cutting up and im working my butt off on the cardio. as was listed above "taking the easy way out" is so not even close to the truth. i believe if you want it bad enough and are willing to do the work and hard work at that and combine it with a kick butt eatting plan mixed with alot cardio. you' can get it. i still am not getting any side effects just straight leaning out. i still give it a thumbs up. it's been 4 total weeks the only bad thing is the moodiness and one hair on my abdomen just ONE lol. im stepping up my cardio to two a days now. will post more laterComment
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Originally posted by Brad Crystal View Post
Sides.
Everyone has a different view of what they consider 'side effects' - but these are sides, but for you, acceptable sides.Comment
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thank you for clearing that up for me sassy.Originally posted by Brad Crystal View Post
it is an acceptable one for me. but your def right maybe not for someone else.
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havoc
who makes havoc?? or a good epistane?? thanks this thread is awesome!!!
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Originally posted by allthatremains35 View Postwho makes havoc?? or a good epistane?? thanks this thread is awesome!!!
Havoc's been pulled. There are still a ton of clones out there. Check out this thread
http://forums.musculardevelopment.co...ad.php?t=88594Comment
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epistane??
has anyone used underground E by underground labs?? just curious about results with it. or any reviews with a epi clone. thanks
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Are you asking about it because of the post I made in the epi clone thread? Or did you just find it on your own? I've heard great reviews, people are saying its just as good as Havoc. A close friend of mine gained 5lbs in 4 weeks and also lost abotu 10-15lbs of fatComment
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i was asking if any WOMEN had tried it. seeing as this is a woman's thread. it doesnt really help me much if a guy is telling me how much he gained/lost with it.
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My answer has nothing to do with whether you're male, female, black, white, a dog or a dinosaur. I've sold epi clones for a while and I'm just saying that this is one of the better ones. That's gotta help for something right
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yea it does. i was just hoping that a female had tried it so i could get a realistic idea of how well it works. i guess its just as good as any other epi clone. might have to try it and see.
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Lol I gotcha. To be honest, I really doubt you'll find any women who've used it. That particular clone has only been popular for such a short time, it's hard enough finding guys who have used it.Comment
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Originally posted by allthatremains35 View Postyea it does. i was just hoping that a female had tried it so i could get a realistic idea of how well it works. i guess its just as good as any other epi clone. might have to try it and see.
We had one women here try it and she said it worked very well for her. It's visual effects appeared to be the same across the board for both males and females. She didn't have a lot of prior experience with AAS, but none the less, she definitely thought Epi worked great for her.
Epi is also a steroid with one of the highest anabolic to androgenic ratios you can find and in compariso to other steroids with similar ratios, such as Anavar, Epi has even more potent anabolic activity.
Accoprding to what's on paper, Epi should be one of the few steroids that most female steroid users would consider a "safe" steroid, as it appears to be mild in just about every way, aside from anabolic potency. Now, with that said, the amount of female users is low, so as with all steroids, we will have to see how this steroid effects many femake users before any type of reasonable judgment can be made concerning it's effects on women. It is also rather low in toxicity when compared to other methyls, so longer cycles can be run with more safety, especially at the doses females would run it. Up to 10 weeks at 10 mg/day should be more than fine for the large majority of users where tocicity is concerned.
Based on what I know of this steroid both on paper, it's effects in men, one women here and 2 women I know personally, I would feel rather safe recommending this steroid for a 2nd cycle in women trying to avoid masculinization, with Anavar (due to it's long-term use in the female population) being used during one's 1st cycle. Good luck finding another oral with a lower androgenic component, besides Var. In additon, almost all injectables have a higher androgenic rating.
Hope that helps a bit.Comment
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