Layne Norton

[hossjob]

creatine will still work and IMO will be very important as it will help pull fluid into the muscle cell which will likely have reduced fluid content due to the reduction in glycogen from the ketogenic diet

Layne, do feel 4-hydroxyisoleucine, Taurine, & BCAA's taken with creatine would help the delivery since there are no carbs on the keto diet? Also, what about sodium...couldn't it theoretically increase delivery as well?

[str8flexed]

its a blended dry rolled oatmeal shake with whey. then an hour to 1.5 hours after that i eat a whole meal but with less carbs.

sounds solid to me

[str8flexed]

Layne, do feel 4-hydroxyisoleucine, Taurine, & BCAA's taken with creatine would help the delivery since there are no carbs on the keto diet? Also, what about sodium...couldn't it theoretically increase delivery as well?

isn't the whole point of a keto diet to keep insulin low? That's what all those guys seem to say (not that I agree that insulin is so evil) but if you were doing keto to keep insulin low... why take something that raises insulin

[Klaus Urine]

Do you decrease training volume when your energy starts to get really low from contest dieting?

[Rzilla]

layne would 10, 100yard sprints on a track (running straights and walking corners) be good hiit?

[Toddbz]

isn't the whole point of a keto diet to keep insulin low? That's what all those guys seem to say (not that I agree that insulin is so evil) but if you were doing keto to keep insulin low... why take something that raises insulin

I was reading in a different thread about glucose disposal agents. Now I admittedly have zero idea of what they accomplish. Clue me in and what's your take? The principle concept (in my mind) sounds a bit like playing with fire. If not could be a fantastic weight loss or anabolic aid.

[str8flexed]

Do you decrease training volume when your energy starts to get really low from contest dieting?

slightly

[str8flexed]

layne would 10, 100yard sprints on a track (running straights and walking corners) be good hiit?

definately

[Rzilla]

definately

10 is a good number?

and do you consume bcaa's when doing hiit?

[str8flexed]

yea, try to work up over time. BCAAs during or after

[hossjob]

isn't the whole point of a keto diet to keep insulin low? That's what all those guys seem to say (not that I agree that insulin is so evil) but if you were doing keto to keep insulin low... why take something that raises insulin

Honestly, I don't know...something I've battled with the 2 times I've done keto (this being 1 of them). Can insulin still be "signaled" post workout and used to "your" advantage on a keto diet? Or will that take you out of ketosis? Doesn't whey alone elicit a slight insuligenic response? Does this mean no whey protein on a keto diet?

I am doing an almost no carb diet (keto???) because the last time I prepped for a show I got so hypoglycemic between carb meals I couldn't stand it. I'd feel like crap until my 4th meal of the day (protein/fat, no carbs), then I'd start feeling good. My first ever prep I did the diet I'm doing now and didn't have those feelings at all.

[LOL]

Layne, what is your take on dessicated liver tablets??

[U-Hulk]

isn't the whole point of a keto diet to keep insulin low? That's what all those guys seem to say (not that I agree that insulin is so evil)

With your level of knowledge I'm not sure if you're joking or simply being rhetoric, but according to my review of ketogenic dieting literature (and utilizing various ketogenic diets myself), the main benefit seemed to be the state of ketosis itself. Having your body prefer ketone bodies and FFAs as the primary source of energy over glucose, that is. Of course there are other benefits as well, such as almost a perfect lack of hunger even under severe caloric restriction (at least in my case). Another cool thing is that under ketonuria (a level of ketosis deep enough so that ketone bodies are present in the urine) you actually piss away fat! Of course the excretion of ketone bodies in the urine doesn't calorically add up to very much, but the idea is still pretty cool.

[DEDICATE92]

Re-feed

Layne,

Tomorrow is my re-feed day (excited about that). Even though it is a day off from lifting, since I train first thing in the morning, I thought this would be best done the day before a leg day so Friday morning I have a 'full tank of gas'.

When doing HIIT, I know you do a PWO shake like lifting, but do you do a pre workout? I am going to have a solid meal in me at least an hour before.

Thanks!

[hossjob]

With your level of knowledge I'm not sure if you're joking or simply being rhetoric, but according to my review of ketogenic dieting literature (and utilizing various ketogenic diets myself), the main benefit seemed to be the state of ketosis itself. Having your body prefer ketone bodies and FFAs as the primary source of energy over glucose, that is. Of course there are other benefits as well, such as almost a perfect lack of hunger even under severe caloric restriction (at least in my case). Another cool thing is that under ketonuria (a level of ketosis deep enough so that ketone bodies are present in the urine) you actually piss away fat! Of course the excretion of ketone bodies in the urine doesn't calorically add up to very much, but the idea is still pretty cool.

U-Hulk, So are you saying that you can be ketogenic and still utilize insuligenics like 4-hydroxy, k-r-ala, etc... and they will be effective and not decrease the benefits of the diet? This was my take and why I asked Layne the question